Isn’t this the video where they used things like a calendar with regular dates and claimed it was a list of Hamas members?
The entire area they showed looked like the power area of the hospital’s basement, with various things on the walls and such that indicate hospital and nothing else.
Their only “evidence” in the videos was the pile of guns they showed, which…isn’t really evidence of anything, especially since we have no way to tell if those were planted or not.
No, they didn’t.
They claimed it looks like a shift calendar where each terrorist signed in for his shift in guarding the hostages.
They showed much more than that, including equipment, clothes and a motorcycle that are suspected to have been used in the 7/10 atrocities.
They do say that they are still investigating and going over the evidence, but show and make it clear that they did find weapons and a command post inside the hospital.
Regarding the planted comment - well, if that’s what you believe then it doesn’t really matter what they show, doesn’t it? You’ve already made up your mind and it doesn’t matter what the evidence show…
Sorry, but showing pictures of guns, clothes and a motorcycle is not evidence. I don’t care what the news is about or where it’s from. True or not, this kind of thing needs independent reporting and third-party verification. Period.
When you see stories like this from any source, question everything. Showing pictures that confirm an existing bias is a powerful tool of manipulation, so please remember that.
Early in the Ukraine war, Russia was pushing the Nazi misinformation extremely hard. By the time fake news stories were debunked, it was too late. Russians were fully convinced that Ukraine was about to invade and old news getting debunked didn’t matter.
This story is an example: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-agents-the-sims-video-game-sting-operation-2022-4
Lets just say there are quite a few layers to the story I linked, so take it with a grain of salt. _It is just an example.
Of course, 100%.
Copying what I replied to another comment - I’d rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters (to decide whether this is authentic or propaganda).
Then why did they lie about a calendar? What was the purpose of that exactly?
I’m unfamiliar with that, can you share more info? What was the lie and how it was disproven?
At 5:35 in the video in OP’s link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it’s a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there’s no names on it, it’s just a calendar.
it’s just a calendar
I’m very skeptical of this claim right here.
I didn’t notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read:
“For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7”
I’m assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it’s the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn’t sound like a typical calendar.
I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere.
EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant “Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood”, obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th.
You’re right, good catch.
It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers.
It’ll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold.
It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part
No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes.
Occam’s razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They’ve done it before.
Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn’t speak fluent English and most likely doesn’t speak fluent Arabic either.
If they couldn’t read it but claimed to know what it says then it’s a lie, not just a mistake.
Disproven? It wasn’t proven in the first place.
Disproved in the context of the claims.
I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven. 
The infowar continues, and Bidens choices have brought in neo-progressives to help the Israelis.
Sure, Biden did this. They found them in the hospital basement right next to the calendar and stack of planted guns. 
Ummm…
You mean the hostage room full of hostages Israel wants back?
Ya. My money is on full planted disinformation aimed at justifying slaughter of innocents.
Hamas is evil. IDF is evil. Show me a fucking cease fire.
The evil side doesn’t want a cease fire. And no other countrie’s armies are willing to die to try to make one.
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… According to Hamas which has demonstrated with evidence that they lie in almost every instance to get ahead of the narrative. So far there has been no evidence that any Israeli organizational narrative has been false.
So UNICEF has already stated that the Gaza ministry of health numbers are accurate and can be taken as is. I can link the article.
So far there has been no evidence that any Israeli organizational narrative has been false.
The video they’re using for evidence literally claims that a random calendar is a Hamas guard shift list.
Yes, war in an urban environment is bad. This is why it took a literal terrorist attack to prompt Israel to do it. There’s nothing that could be done to simultaneously win the war and prevent civilian casualties of this magnitude. I am a literal military strategist and there is no way possible considering the tunnel systems.
Ah yes, “it wasn’t them. And if it was, it was unavoidable. And if it was avoidable, they deserved it”
“Hamas bombed their own hospital” - Israel Bombed it, according to independently-verified Channel 4 sources. Followed by openly bombing of multiple other hospitals. “Leaked Audio” of hamas taking blame was doctored and spliced from multiple sources.
“Hamas beheaded 40babies” - Backtracked to one baby, who wasn’t decapitated at all, but in an area where Israeli helicopter gunners admit to blindly firing into civilian neighbourhoods for hours.
“Hamas killed 1400 civilians” - Backtracked to 1200 recently, including a vast majority being military personnel. Many of the civilians were likely killed by Israeli crossfire or intentionally via “Hannibal doctrine”.
“Hamas uses tunnels under Al-Shifa” - Literally only a shitty blender video as “proof”. Other attempts such as the above use what Israelis claim is a “guard shift pattern” on a wall, which is actually just translated into a calendar with no names on it all.
Not going to bother with people like you who wake up giddy with excitement to write off the lives of millions of people because they think there’s some kind of elaborate military apperatus being deployed in hospitals when the reality is that almost every IDF accusation is a confession of the kind of behaviour their own brutes have been orchestrating for decades.
At this point, you’re willingly choosing Israel’s narrative out of malice, not stupidity.
whoa those are a lot of claims X3
ehehe~ i’m really curious bout this lil’ one tho, just this one:
“Hamas killed 1400 civilians” - Backtracked to 1200 recently, including a vast majority being military personnel. Many of the civilians were likely killed by Israeli crossfire or intentionally via “Hannibal doctrine”
i watched all available videos during october 7th and didn’t see no helicopter or idf shooting civvies :o
I’m glad you’ve confirmed your biases based on a few minutes of Israeli-published footage of battles that were hours in length.
PS: get that UwU speak the fuck out of here, prick, you’re trying to justify the deaths of thousands of kids while larping as a fucking vtuber. Eat shit.
ehehe, silly~ hamas uploaded the footage online themselves, haha!
so binary~ pointing out an inconsistency isn’t automatically making out with israel. but it don’t change the fact no helicopter was shooting civilians or the idf was shooting their own civlians X3
It’s a basement of a hospital that hundreds of civilians used as bomb shelter. Weak effort of propaganda from IDF because they know US will support the claim anyway.
Wow this morning it was a hostage holding room now it’s a command center, remarkable
Too bad they killed or sent away any journalist or independent organization able to verify their bullshit. So I guess we’re supposed to take their word even of they lied more times than I can count?
With the usual caveat “The IDF says:”. Same care is needed to anything “The Hamas says:”. Both sides have their agenda, and it is not necessary involving facts and truths.
totally agree on that but even our german state news station is reporting that there were foreign journalists with the soldiers on the spot to witness the storage of weapons and other military equipment, so it seems this has at least other sources besides the IDF
and to give perspective on our state news, they usually label any news shared by only one source or side as not independently verified and are financed by law by the german citizens and not some big company with an agenda. So they are by all means not perfect but usually a pretty safe source.
While adding ARD or ZDF journalists adds credibility way over Fox “News”, the rooms shown could easily have been staged for the show.
While adding ARD or ZDF journalists adds credibility way over Fox “News”, the rooms shown could easily have been staged for the show.
Yes it could but this is also highly speculative and from footage we have seen it is not unusually to see hamas forces around those buildings.
What I’m saying is that whatever information comes from that part of the world is usually completely unverified and unverifyable. It’s either “The IDF said” or “Hamas said”. Neither is trustworthy, even if they “show evidence”. Regardless if the IDF shows a room with some weapons and random items they could have picked up from the street, or someone else holding up a dead baby and telling it was shot by the Israelis.
Nobody down there is there to tell the truth. Everybody is there to convey a set message.
Agreed but if the news pops up from different sources, maybe there is more behind it.
They have footage
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It was actually funny looking through it lol. Does my guy just use social media to solely talk about Israel and Palestine XD
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you’re a bit nutty if you think we’re all the same person :v
Lemmy’s Hamas groupies out in full force today. Can’t wait for every hamas member to die underground, screaming about their imaginary space man
Ikr, Lemmy is full of pro hamas
Fortieth time’s the charm.
„Watch IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari walk through one of Hamas’ subterranean terrorist tunnels—only to exit in Gaza’s Rantisi hospital on the other side. “
The footage does not show what the tweet suggests. Hagari does not enter the Hospital through a Hamas tunnel. At least not in the version they have uploaded.
We don’t care what the IDF says.
You probably should.
Whether you agree or not, it’s always a good idea to hear both sides, otherwise there’s a good chance you’ll end up in an echo chamber.
If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly.
If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly.
It did. Look at the current top comment.
I’d rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters.
It will probably be more reliable than the top comment.
I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already.
As an addendum, if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and usually nothing like what people actually had to experience.
Honestly, what I see is much worse. Hamas stated they were going to use human shields and Israel hasn’t given a fuck. War doesn’t get any more sobering than that, to be honest.
I listen to a metric fuck ton of propaganda and it takes a ton of work to sort through it all. (I am using the term “propaganda” in the context of strong bias, not necessarily misinformation.) One thing I can say, is that the second you get emotional about news from sources like this, you are becoming vulnerable to actual misinformation. Information warfare is real and just as dangerous as bullets, in some ways.
Like I implied before, the actual truth to a story about war is probably much worse than people may think.
if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle
That’s a fallacy, sometimes one or the other side is straight up wrong or lying and the other isn’t. Probably not this time, but regardless it’s important to keep in mind.
No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can’t be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved.
The person you’re replying to said nothing about believing it, that’s an inference you’ve made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn’t simple, it’s complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It’s why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc.
There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF’s claim is most likely true.
The “other side” of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign
Who’s we? Are there more than one voices in your head?
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The US’s claims related to this conflict are only slightly less worthless than Israel’s. Remember the beheaded babies?
We know, at least some of us, that you won’t give Israel a fair shake.
Is there a part 2 to the Twitter video?
Not that I know of, but it’s 5am there, so maybe later on.
I started to see a lot of Israel propaganda lately.
Every post on my feed from this world news community is just “IDF: Hamas using baby organs to make bombs”.
Probably going to block it
And all posts are posted by like 3 accounts.
there a lotta propganda everywhere!!
Yeah, like 2 hours old accounts spreading propaganda in all Israel related news lol.
can you get back to me in a day?
