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Let’s see what new excuse the US and Europe come up with to justify this while condemning the same acts by Russia.
Easy don’t acknowledge that anything‘s going on now. I’ve been watching western news media and there is now no coverage of Russia Ukraine situation.l, other then US politicians trying to get an aid package to Ukraine. Unsurprisingly, it’ll be tied to aid for Israel. This way they don’t need to preform mental gymnastics to condemn Russia and not Israel. I think the only story I’ve seen about Ukraine was about a family of 9 that was massacred in their sleep.
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The war of Russia against Ukraine is still covered in most news – its just not happening much due to the current stalemate.
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The general consensus regarding Israel is the same like before the war: the Settling is breaking international law and needs to stop. At the same time Hamas is a terrorist organization. It’s a classic ‘everybody sucks here – but one side is significantly worse’ and the palestinians are suffering from the conflict between Hamas and Israel.
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War in Ukraine is still very much covered in the print/digital news. My two go-tos (the guardian and the bbc) both have dedicated section for the Russian Invasion.
I don’t watch television news, but I can imagine there is less coverage on that simply because there is not much suitable video content to be broadcast and what there is is usually several days, or even weeks old for operational reasons.
Come on, we’re not monsters… We’ll express our concern and politely ask them to stop.
“I’m alarmed”
It’s both infuriating and embarrassing
The article says that the only repercussions will be “talks” with the soldiers.
Just a few bad apples, right?
Remember when they shot a journalist in the head and provided a fake investigation into it that they then took back but still concluded in the end that the journalist was at fault for getting shot?
Remember when they crushed a 23 years old woman from the US to death with a bulldozer because she was protesting the demolition of palestinian homes, then they started an “investigation” where they found out they hadn’t done anything wrong because they didn’t see her even though the woman has been protesting there for hours and the soldiers that were there testified that she was being a nuisance for hours?
Remember the laws they passed that let the IDF destroy palestinian homes if they deem by internal investigation that they’re somehow connected to “terrorism”?
Remember the laws that let IDF soldiers shoot kids if they throw rocks at soldiers in occupied territories?
Yeah… just a few bad apples.
In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”
Being dismissed from service is too little for actual murder.
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Agreed, but none of these incidents involve murder.
shot a journalist in the head
crushed a 23 years old woman from the US to death with a bulldozer
You suck.
Hey look it’s some asshole who didn’t read the fucking article and they’re quoting some other asshole who didn’t read the fucking article and who’s somehow oblivious to the comment from the person I replied to that says “oh I didn’t read the article.” (emphasis added)
Although I’m awed by your commitment to being the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, you could’ve spared yourself getting so upset about this water-is-wet statement of fact by just reading for a minute before opening your dumb mouth.
Your previous comment was pretty vague about what you were responding to. You should have made it clear you were responding to the article and not the comment you actually replied to because that’s what it sounds like. You really don’t have a right to respond this aggressively.
I disagree about the clarity. It’s a thread of replies that begins with a direct quote from the article. Any vagueness could be cleared up by either asking a question or reading the article.
When someone replies directly to me quoting something completely irrelevant and unrelated saying “you suck,” I reserve the right to mock them. Especially when my original comment should be as controversial as saying the article was published in the Times of Israel on November 1st.
Oh I hadn’t read the article; so this time it’s not murder. My point still stands but I guess that’s a relief.
Just imagine if Hamas were investigating humiliation of Israeli civilians by its fighters and having any punishment for that.
Just imagine trying to use a terrorist mob as a yardstick to excuse the misdeeds of the advanced 21st century military of a modern democracy.
I wouldn’t go as far as to claim Israel is a modern democracy… but I agree with the advanced 21st century military part.
No excuses, but it helps to remember context. People are people, and there are always shitty people in any state. It is what considered acceptable is important. What more do you want from IDF? Execution without investigation?
Also this is honestly goes as nitpicking. Yes, there are always bad apples. But as far as I can see IDF reacts correctly. It is disturbing in my opinion that there is so much anti-Israel propaganda (not even criticism) is ongoing and supported by clearly more than half of the fediverse (judging by upvoting), where even correct behavior is criticized, and completely ignores the realities that Israel has to deal with. Not even criticizing the use of Himan shields by Hamas, for example.
The most moral army in the world they say, Forces of Light against forces of Darkness they say
They are reveling on spilling Arab blood unhindered, indulging in the most vicious fetish of a supremacist ideology . humanity can go fuck itself
Reminder that the West Bank is under Israeli occupation against international law (UN resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471, 476 (not an exhaustive list); the Venice Declaration) since 1967. The only countries to deny illegality are: Israel (and the US if you believe Donald Trump lol). This is an exhaustive list.
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Disgusting to see what Israel started to do, as soon as they can unhindered.
In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.
In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance.
These are the good guys. You know, the ones that don’t want violence and only want to be safe from external threats.
That’s sadism.
Yep. It’s just about finding someone and hurting them because you’re afraid and angry.
Where does that over-stated theory that hatred and violence are rooted in fear even come from? I hear it every time violent incidents happen, but I have yet to see any evidence that you need to fear something in order to hate it.
Its more a lack of understanding, ergo a lack of empathy.
Fear of death, endemic to human consciousness. Also, Star Wars.
Israel needs therapy.
Israel needs therapy.
With everything that’s been happening in the world as of late, we all need therapy.
Betterhelp sponsored them, but its also kinda shit so maybe thats why the soldiers are so fucked up
“That’s cool and all but do you condemn Hamas though?”
/s
I believe none of the people that committed the terror attack of 10/7 are in the West Bank.
Even if hundreds were there, maybe they should work with the PLO to get rid of a theoretical common enemy? Nope, oppression of all Palestinians is the real goal of the IDF. They hate all Palestinian groups because they want all of them gone at some point in the future. If they wanted any sort of peace or coexistence, they would be bankrolling Palestinians who oppose Hamas, but they don’t, so they don’t. Those evil fucks willingly endanger their own citizens by empowering reactionary fuckheads like Hamas. It’s awful.
Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.
Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.
Isn’t misinformation and disinformation the same thing?
Almost. Disinformation is lying, while misinformation can be whaddaboutisms and/or a blackout of the inconvenient truths. Misinformation can include true facts, but use outliers as proof to their veracity. Misinformation can also include disinformation, but play semantics to minimize the controversies of labeling lies as the lies that they are.
Hamas continues to send missiles and hiding in areas barred from being attacked by military attacks from the rules of warfare. IDF says that they will not hold back on their counter-attacks, that the Palestinians were warned.
I see Russia attack Ukraine with the same terrorist targeting of civilian casualties as Hamas and Israel. My fear is that this is how warfare will be fought until enough carnage is inflicted that all sides see the consequences of breaking rules of engagement.
Morally, both sides (IDF and Hamas) have been bad for decades.
I thought about posting this to the community. Should I? It breaks my heart that we are collectively letting this happen.
absolutely should. The heinous aspect of a truth should actually highlight the importance of it being common knowledge. It is in ignoring and burying it to avoid discomfort that helps enable repeating that which led to it.
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Are there media outlets in other countries, other than Israel, running articles like this? It would be interesting to know what you’re comparing it to.
Al Jazeera has good reporting usually. YouTube tells me they have questionable funding, I haven’t followed up on it.
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Israel has specifically threatened the families of Al Jazeera’s Palestinian team. That tells me all I need to know.
Well, the International Court of Justice will thankfully take any piece of evidence for war crimes.
Only brown and Muslim people and communists are capable of war crimes. westerners bring freedom and liberal democracy and civilization, those are love filled bombs, they bring with them the love of Jesus Christ , yes they might kill you now, but will save you later.
At the end of the article they point out that they don’t know how many of the reported casualties on the Palestinian side are Hamas fighters, but at the same time don’t do the same with the Israelian casualties, and I believe around 300 were IDF soldiers.
Apart from that I think at least they are reasonable and also seem to be critical to their government’s handling of the crisis.
And it is saddening what is happening in the West bank with the silent approval of authorities and army, that’s called oppression and racism and isn’t a good start for a much needed peaceful process.
There are no Hamas on the West bank I’m told. They are restricted to Gaza and that’s why it was an open air prison. These are just Palestinians that live and work there, but are not connected to Gaza.
Besides that, they moved all the real soldiers and reservists to the frontline and allowed among others, settlers to do the policing in the region with maybe 1 IDF person in charge when shit happens. I truly believe that’s the reason why we’re seeing this. It’s assholes driving around, looking for Palestinians torturing and killing them. Afterwards it’s always in self defense.
Humanity is lost
Just hold your cats, dogs or children if you have them, close, bury your face in their bellies and take a deep breath…it really helps.
Well, you’re close I guess. It’s called genocide.
War brings out the worst in people.
What do you mean war, the west bank is not controlled by hamas.
This is brutalisation by an occupying force on a population living in an Israeli controlled Bantustan.
Occupation is war. Apartheid is war. Oppression is a war on the oppressed.
and we are funding it.
