CNN’s Wolf Blitzer seemed at a lost of words at the justification being used to bomb a refugee camp in Gaza.
Everyone knows that if a terrorist takes a hostage, you murder the hostage and their entire family!
It’s the Israeli way!
Human shield? SHOOT THROUGH IT. WE KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
“Shoot the hostage” worked for Keanu.
I mean wasn’t there a die hard where he shot himself to get the bad guy after the exit wound?
Also worked for Keyser Soze.
Human shield, checkmate atheist.
an eye for a large number of eyes, a tooth for a huge number of teeth. isn’t that what God commanded?
The “it’s all so complicated” MFs have been quiet
Oh, I’ve seen them saying a bunch of things. Combinations of “Well, it’s not actually a refugee camp” and “the US also bombs civilians to take out military targets” and the long-used canard “they were warned to go south”.
“the US also bombs civilians to take out military targets”
Not wrong though.
IRC the initial shock and awe coordinated ‘surgical’ bombing at the beginning of the 2003 Iraq war cost the lives of up to 8000 Iraqi civilians. I remember watching it at the time, and American media were really gushing about that whole thing. Going on about how precise it all was. Apparently if you dress it all up in a bit of newspeak (collateral damage, precision bombing, surgical strike, …) you can convince most people that the pressure wave from a large bomb stops at the window of a building.
Maybe international law is too lax. Maybe the US is too powerful to face consequences for anything but the most egregious examples, but then again it’s not as if the world (including the middle-east) gives much of a shit when Assad barrel bombs yet another a hospital. And no one gives a shit about the thousands who died in Sudan this year, because they’re black, so they apparently don’t count.
In a deeply cynical way, it makes sense that the IDF and Israel think it’s unfair. Why should they get so much flack for war crimes, when others get away with it consequence free? China got to demolish ten thousand or more mosques, Russia got to demolish multiple cities and deliberately murder sheltering children, it’s only fair that Israel gets to commit a bit of genocide.
I’m old and tired, and please understand this is an angry and sarcastic comment, but I do wonder what people think war is actually like. Especially urban warfare. Because given history, it seems to me that this is what it’s always like. Thousands of dead civilians, razed buildings, and flimsy excuses and technicalities which allow countries to get away with (not so) accidentally murdering thousands. The world’s biggest and least funny joke.
Though my point in bringing it up is that it’s not even an actual excuse when Israel defenders use it. We Americans actively protested such things as well, as war crimes and violations of international law.
Trying to blatantly use illegal US actions as an excuse for one’s own illegal actions, such as Netanyahu in his speech trying to use the US response to 9/11 as a reason for Israel to do the same, is appalling at best.
Perhaps I would be more appalled if I was even slightly surprised by it. You know how there were protests in Israel before the war about the supreme court?
This is one of the reasons why:
Maybe international law is too lax. Maybe the US is too powerful to face consequences for anything but the most egregious examples
I mean, the US has a legal device to allow them to declare war and invade Hague if the ICC ever tries anything to them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
From one old and tired person to another, thanks for adding context to what is usually context-less and naive platitudes around here.
Thanks, it’s like being flogged with warm lettuce
I’m in the “this is not black and white” camp, but what Israel is doing now is indefensible, even when considering the inhuman atrocities Hamas committed on October 7th. Bombing a refugee camp in the hopes of killing a few Hamas terrorists is just crazy. Flattening a city full of civilians for the same reason is just crazy.
That said, I don’t know what the answer is. I honestly believe there’s no solution to this conflict. Proposing that Israel remove the border controls and let the Palestinians roam free, given the number of terrorists in their ranks, is just hopelessly naive. They should absolutely return the illegal settlements, but even if they do that (sadly they won’t), the terrorists won’t stop.
Fuck them both, is my view.
I don’t get the headline. The topic is far too important for a click bait title. He was not stunned… just asking the tough question.
He actually says in the clip, “I’m having a hard time hearing you” after the long pause, so it’s also kind of inaccurate. The response was still horrifying but reporting the information correctly would still be cool.
Zionist psychopaths.
Definitely psychopaths & monsters, but that was to be expected, very sadly. In the end the victim becomes the murderer.
You’ve got it backwards. Israel has never been the victim in this conflict. There’s almost a century now of Israel oppressing Palestine to take their land. Hamas is just responding to Israel. If Israel backed the fuck off this would all go away. Or at least it would have; not so sure if anyone in Palestine will let Israel be after what they’ve been doing in October…
Israel has never been the victim in this conflict.
You have to be fucking kidding me.
Both sides have been victims of their respective leaderships for decades.
The Palestinians have been victims of the Zionists, especially the religious right with their illegal settlements.
The Israelis have been victims of the Islamic terrorists, currently led by Hamas, whose explicit goal is to eradicate every Jew.
You can’t seriously look at this conflict and ignore half the story.
Terrorist 👏 organisation 👏 will 👏 not 👏 exist 👏 if 👏 you 👏 don’t 👏 give 👏 them 👏 reason 👏 to 👏
I see, so the solution is to stop being Jew, or better yet, to simply die. Got it. Thanks.
Perhaps you can stop subjugating people and create a fundamentalist group? https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0
You think that will fix the underlying issue? How naive.
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Weird that I would think “What sort of twat calls himself Wolf Blitzer” and then find out he was born in Germany and think “Oh that’s quite normal then”
WTF Germany that sounds like a blender for wild canines 😂
It’s actually a really cool name. Translate it’s Wolf Lightning or Flash. But a blender…I wouldn’t have thought of that.
I haven’t studied German for decades but I remember the suffix ‘er’ is someone who does that thing, same as English
So it’s even cooler, it’s Wolf Lightning Man
wolf lightning-er
I’m a native German speaker and when I hear “Blitzer”, I think of those cameras police use to enforce speed limits. You know, the ones with the red flash to let you know you’ll be getting a ticket.
It’s crazy that you can go on Reddit and see people claiming it wasn’t a refugee camp meanwhile the IDF has confirmed it was a refugee camp.
They’ve fallen for the Israeli propaganda machine so hard that they are more extreme in their defense of the IDF than the fucking IDF.
It’s not really israeli but US propaganda at this point. On reddit it’s clear what s the editorial line of most moderators
Their onboarding lie to the US citizens was very successful with the decapitated babies claim parroted by the president and those asinine 9/11 and Pearl Harbor references to the October 7th attack. Textbook propaganda by ripping open old scars to instill hatred and dehumanizing your enemy.
Bold of you to assume those are actual people on Reddit
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The confusing is from there being Jabalia city and Jabalia refugee camp nearby. The bombed the latter.
The Times of Israel’s take on this:
The Israel Defense Forces says it has killed the commander of Hamas’s Central Jabaliya Battalion, Ibrahim Biari, in an airstrike in the Gaza Strip a short while ago.
The military said the strike killed Biari and several other terrorists and caused underground terror tunnels to collapse, bringing down several nearby buildings.
Palestinian reports said at least 50 people were killed in the strike and subsequent collapse.
According to the IDF, Biari was one of the Hamas commanders responsible for directing members of the terror group’s elite Nukhba forces to invade Israel on October 7.
The IDF says the airstrike in Jabaliya was part of “a wide-scale strike” on Hamas operatives and infrastructure belonging to the terror group’s Central Jabaliya Battalion.
According to the IDF, the Central Jabaliya Battalion took control of several civilian buildings in the area.
“The strike damaged Hamas’s command and control in the area, as well as its ability to direct military activity against IDF soldiers operating throughout the Gaza Strip,” the army says in a statement.
It says “numerous” terrorists were killed with Biari, and “underground terror infrastructure embedded beneath the buildings, used by the terrorists, also collapsed after the strike.”
The IDF says it also “reiterates its call to the residents of the area to move south for their safety.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-jabaliya-strike-killed-top-hamas-commander-collapsed-terror-tunnels/So, they have no actual evidence they killed the guy.
And the move south rhetoric is clearly irrelevant, since if there are any Hamas people in the south, they’ll bomb the civilians there anyways. So why does the location matter?
True, it appears they will indeed hit Hamas targets no matter where they are:
“Wherever a Hamas target arises, the IDF will strike at it in order to thwart the terrorist capabilities of the group, while taking feasible precautions to mitigate the harm to uninvolved civilians,” the military said on Wednesday, reiterating previous statements.
The military has said the homes where militants live are “legitimate targets” even if civilians live alongside them.However, it seems like going south is probably still in civilians’ interests, IDF says there are more targets in the north and once ground forces go in they are going to consider anyone remaining north of the Gaza river to be a potential enemy combatant:
The military said the order was aimed at moving civilians away from “Hamas terror targets”, which it believes are concentrated in the north. …
Military spokesman Jonathan Conricus subsequently said: “We are preparing the area for significant military activity in Gaza City. That is the next stage. That’s why we are asking civilians to go south of the Gaza River.” …
Israel renewed its warnings on Oct. 22, saying that anyone staying in the north could be identified as sympathisers of a “terrorist organisation” if they did not leave.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/The location does matter for the ground troops since the can then sweep the buildings easier
Dam! who are the Nazi now? They literally have people locked up behind walls and are denying the food and other resources. They cant even fish for food unless allowed.
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the legitimacy of western hegemony is seriously tested here
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