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While not it’s not mentioned in this article, he actually said he took mushrooms around 48 hrs before getting onto the plane, which would mean his trip was definitely over. He said he thought he was dreaming, which would probably be better attributed to the fact he hadn’t slept in around 40hrs. I suspect this is a case of “the mushies did it!” being reported over questions of "how was someone in that bad of mental shape was in the cockpit of a plane? " being asked.
Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?
Studies have proven time and time again that prolonged lack of sleep is the most dangerous thing for a human.
My somewhat cynical view is that the airlines are trying to aim for damage control as much as possible, and are tying to throw red herirngs to divert from failings on the airlines part. In this case, shrooms. If the airlines get looked at, I suspect the whole fact that he was probably that sleep deprived and it wasn’t seen as not normal could lead to actual action against airlines.
100% this
They’re trying to shift the blame entirely to the pilot (who was primarily at fault) rather than their policies that allowed a pilot to fly on no sleep for 40 hours
Nah, he wasn’t actually flying. He was however on route to fly, which was worrying.
Either way is a problem tbh
I think everyone is just glad he didn’t get behind the controls of a plane
Didn’t the shroom thing came out of police interviews?
Crew rest is a huge deal in aviation too, something tells me rules were broken and they’re trying to avoid lack of sleep coming up as a culprit.
I wouldn’t even think they broke an HOS rule. There are so many loop holes in HOS that fuck sleep up I wouldn’t even be surprised.
Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?
Predetermined prejudices.
That’s good info.
I’d love to see the source for the 48 hours because this bullshit is prime propaganda fuel without that context.
48 hours is too long to blame on an acid trip usually (from my experience) let alone a mushroom trip. Maybe doses and potency were different but I’ve done up to 4 tabs of acid and 1/4 oz of shrooms (different trips) both with some bud smoked, and never had much effect after I slept. From acid sleeping took much longer but not over 40 hours, I wasn’t at a rave doing amphetamines or anything. Not those nights anyways.
I will say people are different and I was well down the road of experimentation by the time I did those strongest trips.
Oh forgot to add if they didn’t sleep that would really fuck someone up. I used to party for days and I made day 3 my limit for good reason, so 48 hours is start of day 3.
Don’t blame this on mushrooms. You get what you go in with.
And this dude hadn’t slept in 40 hours. Who the hell take mushrooms for the first time with severe sleep deprivation while in the cockpit of a commercial airliner!? This guy was unstable to begin with. Hopefully this doesn’t set back the public and regulatory perception of psilocybin and all of the therapeutic benefits it has.
From what I understand he had taken the mushrooms 40 hours prior, for his first time ever, and that’s why he’s been awake all that time. However he was also enroute to pilot a flight, which probably wouldn’t have worked out.
I call BS. Mushrooms don’t keep you up and… call me naive but… FLYING A FUCKING AIRPLANE shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. Why not take a sick day?
It can be tough to sleep mid-trip, but 10-12 hours or more later? You have other issues/substances if you can’t sleep.
Sure, staying up 2 days and then trying to kill 85 people on an airplane is not a normal reaction.
He hadn’t slept in 40 hours, but he took the shrooms 48 hours prior, so he had slept since the shrooms at least for a bit.
Considering he was apparently on a psychotic break, not sure how reliable his self-reporting is.
Then maybe he never took shrooms or took them an hour beforehand, too
Supposedly, he took the mushies around 48hrs before, so they were out of his system. So it was probably just extreme sleep deprevation. Which begs the question, it that just considered normal on airlines?
It absolutely is NOT normal. They have very strict fatigue tracking and rules. This guy shouldn’t have been anywhere near a cockpit. I’m not sure if the rules extend to non-flight crew but I’m sure the FAA will be considering that now.
But blame the drugs! 🤗
Narrator: It did.
I suspect he’s blaming the mushrooms because he doesn’t want to admit whatever other drugs he’s been taking.
If he hadn’t slept for 40 hours, it might be that he took meth.
I’ve done mushrooms countless times and mushrooms do not do this. Don’t you even dare try saying it was because of mushrooms. Anyone who has actually done them before will call your bullcrap.
Sure it’s possible he’s making a bullshit excuse.
But dude you have no idea what was going on in his trip. He could have eaten a 5g chocolate bar and started freaking out trying to make it stop, thinking “I need to get out NOW” and being on autopilot (himself, not the plane) since he’s flown so many times, turned the engines off. I’m sure the FAA audio will collaborate his freaking out.
You apparently haven’t had a bad trip on a megadose. Don’t go all “weed has zero bad side effects, man” about mushrooms just because you like them. This isn’t a hit piece on shrooms. It’s a piece against dosing before you fly a plane full of people which I’m totally good with.
He wasn’t flying the plane.
He was off-duty and tried to open an emergency exit.
Before that, he was in the cockpit (yes, off-duty) and lunged for the controls. The pilot had to correct it.
It’s a short article, everyone should read it before commenting.
Thank goodness it was drugs because now we don’t have to talk about the state of healthcare in this country
Also glad it wasn’t guns, so conservatives don’t have to pretend for five minutes that they give a shit about the state of (mental) health care in this country.
It was sleep deprivation. He took the shrooms over 48 hours previously, he may have had some sleep after the shrooms, but then stayed awake for 40 hours, and was on his way to fly another shift.
I would argue that sleep deprivation falls under a health issue
I love mushrooms, and not once have I ever thought about trying to harm anyone during a trip, let alone commit mass murder.
Might as well chock this up to “Reefer Madness”Yeah this is absolute bullshit.
Let’s set aside, for a moment, that this dude took the shrooms something like 48 hours prior. 100% this guy was not under the influence of psilocybin while on that plane.
But all of that aside, this just isn’t how shrooms work. I know it can affect people in different ways, but I’ve taken heroic shroom doses before. Never, at any point, are you unaware that you’re tripping, or think you’re “dreaming” like this guy claimed, unless you’re literally experiencing ego death. In which case, you’re not even making it off the floor of your living room, let alone onto an airplane (with the company you work for), and into a cockpit.
You’re not going through security, getting on a flight, acting normal enough to get into the cockpit, and then being lucid enough to make a deliberate move like he did. You’re not even going to be aware that you have a fucking body.
And if you’re not tripping hard enough for that, then you’re not tripping hard enough to earnestly believe you’re dreaming. Because that’s not how psychedelics work.
I have seen a couple of people take doses of 5 or 6 grams, and they are completely in a trance for hours. Just stuck in one spot and dead to the outside world. Then about 6 or 8 hours later they are back to their normal self. So, yea something is off about this excuse.
Exactly. If you’re taking that much, you’re basically in another dimension while your husk of a body (that, by this point, you’re completely unaware even exists) is essentially incapacitated for a few hours.
And if you don’t take that much, you 100% know that you’re tripping the entire time.
Why can’t it just be a rare side effect of psychedelics?
I had a friend who freaked out on acid. They found him naked in someone’s yard. After trying to break shit at a friend’s house, he freaked out and ran away.
Why can’t it just be that 1/10k people lose it after psychedelics?
Oh great way to fuck it up for everyone else.
In case anyone is unclear this is not how mushrooms work. Even on an insanely high dose you are not going to hallucinate concocted scenarios that aren’t really happening. It makes colors brighter, sounds more clear, and and occasionally makes straight lines seem squiggly or faces seem pixelated. That’s it.
One time I read about a case where the guy thought his neighbor’s house was on fire and broke a window with a fire extinguisher. That makes more sense, maybe he saw an orange light and the mushrooms made it look like it was flickering.
Cool motive, still (attempted) murder.
Those that are unaware of the B99 reference: https://youtube.com/shorts/oyg7T9emCUA?si=pLT8slBe7C6pCPuX
Is it though? My understanding is that a murder charge requires intent to cause harm. Causing death without intent would be manslaughter. If someone is out of their mind in a panic attack and tries to shut down the plane so he could get to the ground, it would hard to prove he intended harm to the other passengers. They probably weren’t even in his thoughts.
Not a lawyer though, my understanding could be flawed.
ITT: I do mushrooms and I don’t go crazy so therefore it’s impossible, and also I don’t understand human psychology at all.
I hate how idiots become the representation of what people want to control and destroy.
I can’t read the article but,
Joseph Emerson, who was off-duty at the time, was restrained by Alaska Airlines cabin crew after he tried to open an emergency exit
This headline is straight up propaganda then.
This headline is straight up propaganda then.
That’s called a lie, not propaganda.
Propaganda and lies can be one in the same?
They can be, but that doesn’t make them completely interchangeable.
Charged with 83 counts of attempted murder. Holy crap! How was the cockpit unlocked so this guy delirious in a bad trip could even gain access?
He was an off-duty pilot catching a ride in the jump seat behind the pilots in the cabin, which is completely normal. The guy being a fucking lunatic is where things went wrong.
He was running on over 40 hours with no sleep. The shrooms were out of his system, since he had taken those over 48 hours previously. The lack of sleep caused him to have a disassociative episode. The airlines caused this, with their policies and corporate culture, and are desperately trying to absolve themselves of responsibility so they can keep overworking and underpaying their employees.
He knew the secret handshake
It’s called deadheading, it’s common.
Deadheading means you’re in the back of the plane. He was jumpseating, most likely commuting.
It doesn’t. The term probably originated with railcrews.
This isn’t a railroad car. Deadheading on aircraft mean the company is getting you from one place to another. You’re on the clock, on duty, and generally must be provided a seat in the back.
Jumpseating (usually for commuting) is when you travel on your own time, own dime, typically done before or after a trip. You may be provided a seat in the back, but if there are none you may be granted access to sit in the cockpit jumpseat. You are on duty when jumpseating and considered part of the crew.
Interesting coincidence that grateful dead fans are called deadheads, and consume a lot of mushrooms
Upon reading the title, I thought that’s military, but civilian airline. Holy shit!
As it turns out, Alaska Airlines made a mistake in hiring AFC Richmond’s bus driver as a pilot.
Now imagine if it had been Coach Beard 😏
Beard would know how to handle his shrooms
