If concessions can not be made to save these lives even with the entire world watching, then I do not want to hear falsehoods about caring for human rights.
I’ve been very cautious to reserve the word “Genocide” because I didn’t want to devalue it with hyperbole. For years, I’ve said that Israel is ethnically cleansing historic Palestine. But reading this article… I think this is the point where it becomes genocide, full and proper.
It’s shocking to bear witness to.
By the UN definition, it’s been genocide for a long fucking time
Same UN which doesn’t consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization. So there’s that. And no, am not justifying what’s being done to civilians.
I have been unable to find a list of who the UN does consider to be a terrorist organization. Does the UN not call Hamas a terrorist organization because that’s just a term the UN doesn’t use?
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I guess they’re not in the labelling-things-as-terrorists business, but there’s https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/un-sc-consolidated-list
Hamas indeed can not be found from this list, if I looked correctly. Which is weird, given how much more minor terrorist organisations and even individuals can be found from there. I’d say that it’s totally legit for Israel to point this inconsistency out.
And Biden, Blinken, etc have lashed themselves to the mast next to Netanyahu and Likud, promising a blank check no matter what.
Usually I’m OK with Biden (I think the way he handled Ukraine was pretty damn good) but this is a disastrous decision on our part.
I can only hope that his tough talk in public is covering for behind the scenes pressure on Isreal to have a ceasefire.
There is no such pressure on a US ally to NOT defend themselves when a terrorist group crosses your borders and starts firing rockets! Are you out of your fucking mind? Remember what happened last time terrorists attacked the US? Ya! Stop being delusional, and stop sympathizing for the bad guys.
Nobody is saying Israel shouldn’t defend itself, but this article is about a Hospital. Even in full on war attacking the opponents hospitals is a war crime.
Sometimes it’s almost like people see Israel or Hamas as their favorite sports team. As if anything they do is morally correct, just because “their team” did it.
I can’t get over how fucking terrible this is for everyone who is trapped there, due to absolutely no fault of their own. Even literal babies are dying.
Before anyone says “they were voted in”; sure. They were voted in many years ago. However, a large part of the population over there was way too young to vote at the time.
It’s sick that some deem other people’s lives as worthless, just because of location.
I can’t even begin to imagine the grief, loss, and suffering that’s happening to so many people. Any one of us could have easily been there too, it’s not like we can just pick where we’re born. You don’t work hard to pick a country of origin, you get what you get. Those innocent civilians are no more deserving of death than anyone else on earth. It’s sad that I half expect someone to reply and try to explain why murdering children is ok.
I don’t care if it’s Israel, Hamas, or the freaking Easter bunny. Murder is murder. War crimes are still war crimes. Those children are still dead.
Palestinians and their children are not the “bad guys”. It is possible to wage war against Hamas and NOT unarmed civilian palestinians.
It is possible to wage war against Hamas and NOT unarmed civilian palestinians.
And how exactly is that supposed to work?
Step 1) Don’t commit genocide.
Step 2) Be methodical and targeted. Include financial sanctions and incentives for other governments to cooperate.
Step 3) Don’t commit genocide.
Seems pretty fucking straight forward to me. Why do conservative shitstains always want to add genocide to everything?
The last time the US was attacked by terrorists it was domestic terrorists, and it’s happening basically every day.
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A good way to avoid that is to not illegally enter Israel and start firing rockets! Wake up!
Children shouldn’t be punished for the crimes of crazy men.
I agree, but pretending that doesnt happen in a literal warzone isnt realistic. Get the fuck away!
If a literal war broke out a couple neighborhoods from you, would you stay because all your shit was there, and keep your family with you, or take off and worry about the rest later, because anything is literally better and safer than being there? Common fucking sense. Somebody living in Gaza 1000% knew what was coming, that area has been fucked since before they were born.
Gaza is only 25 miles long. The furthest away I could get from my neighbours right now would be the next town over, where 1 million people already live and there is limited food and water. Have some compassion ffs.
And bombing civilians is a war crime, so no, it doesn’t happen in a war zone.
Anything is safer than a warzone, and limited food and water is still better than being bombed. Has nothing to do with compassion, its reality.
And bombing civilians is a war crime, so no, it doesn’t happen in a war zone.
Like what Hama’s did? Ya, forget terrorists dont have rules didn’t you?
Someone else committing war crimes does not make it okay for you to do war crimes.
Both Hamas and Israel are doing war crimes and should be punished for it.
There isn’t anywhere safe in Gaza right now.
Like what Hama’s did? Ya, forget terrorists dont have rules didn’t you?
We aren’t talking about what Hamas did, obviously that wasn’t ok?
There’s no separating the two. What happening in Gaza is a direct result of what THEY did to Israel. You don’t get to illegally cross a border, fire rockets, kill people, then cry when there’s retaliation. Not how any country on the planet works. Welcome to reality.
pretending that doesnt happen in a literal warzone isnt realistic
So as long as something happens in reality, no one should condemn it? Interesting logic.
Funny, I was thinking it was interesting logic to defend peolple who’s goal in life is genocide of all Jews. Just like they want you to do. Good job being a sucker.
Cool projection bro. Is that 4K?
Civilian Palestinians did not do any of those things. Thise were the acts of Hamas, not Palestinian children.
What an absolute nightmare. Those poor people are caught in the middle of a conflict they can do nothing about. It’s horrific.
I find it both horrifying and nauseating at the same time. This makes me sad to be a human being.
Wait until you realize how many species we’ve driven to extinction, and how many more we have yet to kill, before we kill ourselves due to runaway climate collapse. That’s the shit that makes me sad to be human.
Human beings are just about the worst thing to happen to this planet.
Hamas really really fucked up this time.
Further proof Hamas terrorists hate Gazan Palestinians as much as they hate everyone else.
*People are downvoting because they refuse to admit Hamas terrorists use Palestinians as shields only; without a care for civilian safety as a tool to protect themselves.
This is the thing. Palestinians aren’t treated as humans, but as tool or a weapon.
Even the countries that supposedly support Palestine, not a single of them offers to take refugees.
The truth is they hate Palestinians too (wrong Muslim sect) they just hate Jews a little bit more than them, but they have no problem if both kill each other.
It’s simple to see why no one wants Palestinian refugees. Last time countries accepted them they had a civil war on their hands. This way everyone lets Israel take the blame and pretend not to notice.
WTF are you talking about?
Those countries don’t offer to take them in because they will not be let back after this is over.
The majority of Palestinians are sunni, and even if they weren’t, that never really mattered to any country besides Iran.
And the countries of the Levant are known for being very secular, unlike Isn’trael.
Again, treating them like tools.
If a country is accepting refugees it is assumed those people will live in your country. Those countries won’t accept them as refugees, because they hate them, and don’t really want to help, they want Israel to burn, and if it takes Palestinians with them “even better”.
That’s the truth, about “supporting” Palestine by those Muslim countries.
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Sorry. I oversimplified it. The ethnicity (and racism) and also prior experience helping also matters.
Supposedly Egypt is also Suni, but not only they don’t want let refugees in, or even accept the Gaza strip. US had to negotiate with them to let humanitarian aid in.
Iran which looks like it had part behind this attack and supposedly are supporters of Palestinians, similarly won’t do anything to help.
Their sympathy with Palestine is only when western cameras are rolling.
wrong Muslim sect
There’s a bit of that but only as far as Lebanon is concerned, because Hezbollah is Shia and Palestinian Muslims (and especially Hamas) are mostly Sunni and there will likely be a fight for power between Hezbollah and Hamas if the latter ever infiltrate Lebanon, because for the past 13 centuries there has never been peace on the same soil between Shia and Sunni armed groups, which is why Lebanon is not opening its doors to Palestinians.
With regards to Egypt, sect isn’t really the issue as both are Sunni. However, the military that is ruling Egypt has a very rough history with the Muslim Brotherhood (which was very violent back then, almost nothing to do with Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood) from which Hamas was born, so they likely don’t want Hamas terrorists infiltrating Egypt either.
So neither Egypt nor Lebanon want Palestinians as they’re placing their security and more importantly their political interests above Palestinian lives.
even if that was true, the other side could just stop hitting the shield all the time and do precise targeting.
It’s true.
That’s a pay for supporting terrorism
You sound like a highly educated individual
Hamas hasn’t yet released the fuel they’ve been hoarding?
Have they been hoarding it in the hospital?
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@rivermonster most of them are not vocal about it right now. Many of them have normalised relations with Israel in the last few years.
They also hold the belief that allowing Israel to chase all the Palestinians out of Palestine and grab the land would be the end of the Two State Solution, turning the latter into permanent refugees.
In practical terms given Israel’s blockades the only country in a position to take them is Egypt.
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Egypt already hosts 9 million refugees, taking another 2 million would be politically unpopular with voters.
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Egypt is also afraid of ending up in a border war with Israel (which would happen if any of the new refugees attacked Israel).
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Egypt also wants the Two State Solution
Here is an article that might interest you: Why Egypt Won’t Open The Border To Its Palestinian Neighbours
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@rivermonster I always wonder whether people who want “Arab nations” to take in more refugees are also petitioning their own representatives to take in more themselves.
Pretty much all the biggest refugee-hosting nations are poorer nations.
Nevertheless, this article might give you food for thought: The Growing Significance Of Malaysia and Indonesia’s Non-recognition of Israel.
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@rivermonster yeah that’s getting really bad lately.
I’m in New Zealand and I want more refugees from everywhere, including Palestine. It’s frustrating.
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@rivermonster to be fair to the US it didn’t actually sign the UN convention on refugees that the rest of the West signed. But I still share your frustration.
I wish we could all work together on this stuff. Instead we have had some shining examples recently of how countries who do take people from warzones get left to take a huge hit, like poor Bangladesh struggling alone to administer Coxs Bazar (the biggest refugee camp in the world, now home to the Rohingya), or the Kurds who bizarrely were left trying to feed and shelter surrendered ISIS fighters from all over the world.
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Jordan won’t take them because the Palestinians assassinated their king, created a civil war in Jordan, and tried to assassinate their next king.
Lebanon won’t take them because they keep joining Hezbollah.
Egypt won’t take them because they keep joining up with Muslim Brotherhood and trying to destabilize the government.
Syria won’t take them because they’re in the middle of a civil war.
Iran won’t take them because they’re more useful as a tool to destabilize Israel.Am I missing anyone?
The people who will leave Gaza are never gonna be let back in. The neighboring Arabic countries already have lots of Palestinian refugees.
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If that’s the attitude of everyone the whole world will be colonized and subjugated by imperialists. There will be a point where you cannot run anymore. Let me ask you a question, what would you do if this happened to you?
Because then they risk becoming the target of what Israel buys with the 50 billion dollars Joe Biden just sent to them.
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Blame the world’s leader and the people that think they should be supporting them.
Take matters into your own hands. Change is now if you make the change. Live for reality and not tradition. Bring on the war.
It’s not really up to us foreigners. We could send them fuel but Hamas would just confiscate it.
Imagine saying this shit when powerless children are being butchered by israeli bombs…
how heartless some people have become
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Man… you got problems.
