Call me crazy, but I don’t want a PC run by a phone operating system.
You’re crazy.
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They’re not saying it will. My gaming laptop is already running the same Linux kernel as Android phones so the kernel is great. Then it’s down to the GUI and that might be a good fit for hospitality/healthcare/retail as the article says where some devices are already run in more or less of a Kiosk style with specific purpose. Besides phones are just small PCs anyway, it’s all about the use-case.
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Options are never gonna be a bad thing of course.
Idk of flatpaks can really be compared to iOS apps just simply due to how much you can choose to expose
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Linux users would quite literally laugh about this, yet here we are.
Well, Immutable Distros aren’t for “Linux Users”, but for casuals. I won’t ever advice any techblin to use a classic distro, because they don’t have any interest in learning commands and terminal, but just want to use something that’s not Windows
Its an OS, period. Like in every other context it’ll be adapted to its use case. Its unrealistic to think that its going to look like a phone/tablet. Android is and had been running on a hell of a lot more than phones for a very long time now, and most people dont even realize it.
I’ll agree with you as an advanced user myself it most likely won’t be for me either, but we’re not the 99%. The normies benefit from more locked down ecosystems and especially immutable OS’s.
I just spend 3hrs literally yesterday in my mothers OnePlus unfucking it, she’s only had Androids since she’s owned smartphones, yet cant understand Android and actually how to use it, never knows what she does, constantly turns things on and off, shit you CAN’T accidentally do. Non tech people and functionality/control over the OS is never a good thing.
MDM managed devices would make situations like your mother’s much easier to manage and handle remotely. Lock down all the stuff she keeps messing up. Id love to have hardware that I could walkaway from that was cheaper than apple and had management like it when using an MDM like Jamf.
Believe it or not Android is solidly capable as an OS without too big of a hardware requirement. Give Android x86 a shot and you’ll see how fast it can be. Pretty decently optimized. Sadly last Android the supported was 11.
Why though? Immutable Operating Systems are great for regular usage. Android is restricted and closed up, compared to Linux or Windows. But its damn secure.
Having the app support, on this ecosystem where every app always is in its container, would be huge.
But I prefer Fedora Atomic, its more or less the same, but actually free, with wide app support and no Google.
Because I do all kinds of things with my OS that they probably didn’t consider when they were locking things down. I enjoy the freedom and flexibility of a desktop OS while I’m on a desktop. Even Mac OS drives me up the walls sometimes.
Edit: phone changed Max to Max.
Yes of course, me neither. Android sucks. Its locked down and all.
But what is the typical “laptop user”?
- uses windows as it was preinstalled
- uses Edge or Chrome as its preinstalled, Bundleware or they get Ads for it
- has some weird Adobe stuff like Reader. Apps autostart in the background and phone home as they wish to “check licenses” and whatever
- has Viruses and doesnt care
Viruses basically dont exist on Android
Well yeah… We are not saying is for everyone. Like it’s nice for less technical people were it’s more difficult for them to fuck it up or get confused with technical stuff and they do not need anything advanced or sometime that flexible, just a couple of apps an a browser.
Yeah it would probably be great for someone like my mother. She’s an expert at breaking her operating system and anything to lock her system down would be helpful. I’m sure there are millions of people who never do much more than read emails, browse the web, and maybe do some spreadsheet work, and it would be great for them too. For me, I like control. I use Arch on my laptop and Pop on my gaming computer so that I’m not constrained by whatever Microsoft or Apple are currently trying to simplify with their OS.
Edit: I also stopped using Windows because it’s becoming pretty similar to spyware and adware these days, and every time you turn all that stuff off, they turn it back on with the next update. I reached my wits end about 3-4 years ago and dumped Windows completely for everything except Fusion 360.
Phones are pcs so I don’t see the issue
The problem I see with this is that Linux doesn’t do well enough as it is so fragmenting it further isn’t going to move the needle against Windows (IMO)
You don’t use a phone the same way that you use a PC, or at least I don’t.
A lot of people do though. That’s the problem. Most people just browse Facebook and watch YouTube. Anyone doing other stuff is “a hacker”
That’s not going to matter as far as the OS is concerned; that’s more device limits
Esper Foundation is based on Android 11 and has customizable branding, peripheral compatibility, quarterly security patches, and three years of support.
3 years worth of support on an OS that’s already 3 years outdated. Meanwhile my PC from 2010 running Windows 10 still gets updates and can easily be updated/serviced with off the shelf parts to keep it going. I guess I’ll pass on this one.
from all the shit that windows do, long term support was always a selling factor in there
I tried to read deep into this awhile back and why we don’t see many Android tablets. I think even Google (Alphabet) doesn’t like Android that much and is trying to get away from it. And instead use ChromeOS for laptops, tablets, and dual use devices.
What’s looking better all the time is just Linux. Really they should just put out a Linux laptop.
why we don’t see many Android tablets
My personal guess is that the reason is twofold:
- The dominance of iPad
- The (unfortunately not unearned) association of Android tablets with poor quality. There are a lot of knockoffs out there.
I think even Google (Alphabet) doesn’t like Android that much and is trying to get away from it.
In the large format world, maybe. But they’re putting a lot of development work into the Pixel line, and it’s finally paying off. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see a resurrection of the Pixel C form factor someday.
Google tablets being filled with magnets has always been interesting to me, and I really like how they create interesting use cases (like sticking your tablet to the fridge)
I think a large part of it is that they have little control over Android. Manufacturers put all their stuff and overlay on it. Imo it doesn’t work well and would be even worse with dual use and laptops. They have control of ChromeOS and make demands of anyone that wants to use it. I think they made a big mistake getting rid of Moto. They could have at least made their own devices free of other stuff.
ChromeOS is as open source as Android in the form of ChromiumOS. It just seems like there’s less desire to fork ChromiumOS and skin it since Linux already exists, and I assume most people would prefer to go to the source.
I agree that they should’ve kept Moto, but they do make (well, design, which is probably all Motorola did) their own handsets in the Pixel line. Pretty much everyone who puts their own badge on a phone these days designs it but has Foxconn assemble it using components sourced from other companies. The only company I’m aware of making their own silicon is Samsung.
It’s not even knockoffs, my last two android tablets were trash. Asus; poor physicsl quality, bad audio driver, screen connector fails with slight flexing, silver detailing full of chips. Samsung; full of bloatware, super slow, drops inputs regularly, sometimes takes seconds to react. Both cost more than twice as much as my first tablet from 2013, both ran worse out-of-the-box than my first tablet still does today.
I’m all for this if it’s true, but this sounds like another gimmick announcement by a declining PC vendor.
Declining? It might look like that if you expect nonstop continuous growth, but Lenovo has been stable and has held onto its 25% market share for the past five years.
That site might ask you to login, so here’s a screenshot.
I’m posting from Kbin, not sure if the image will embed, so here’s a backup in case the embed is borked: https://i.imgur.com/vL23xe4.png
Odd, I don’t even see anything indicating you tried to embed.
Here’s the markup for lemmy embed ʼʼ
Huh, I think this might be one of those unique Kbin things. We have an image upload feature that treats it sorta like an attachment; it doesn’t embed the image in the comment, rather it appends the image at the end of the comment.
This is what it looks like over here
Thx for the markup tip!
Oh interesting. Yeah, we don’t have that here.
You clearly don’t work in an office. They have that market cornered, Lenovo laptops are everywhere.
That is true… Been working full remote for the past year.
Lenovo is the biggest PC vendor in the world, also Motorola by Lenovo is still doing pretty well, I wouldn’t call them declining by any means.
Lenovo? The spying hardware company? No thanks.
Wait what, weren’t the thinkpads supposed to go hand and hand with Linux, what do you mean?
The older Thinkpads do. The newer ones are just money-grabbing chinesium.
Iirc, the business line (ThinkPads) were not affected by these, but who knows.
But yes, my oldest laptop is a ThinkPad and I love it very dearly!
Remember, everyone: companies work hard to prevent “unauthorized access” to their devices. This does not mean no one can get into your stuff. It means no one can get into your stuff without paying the manufacturer money first.
Is…Is this finally the year of the Linux desktop?
I’m gonna say it.
2023 is the year of the Linux desktop!
Specific market segments we are targeting include retail and hospitality, as well as the digital signage appliances for these industries.
It doesn’t look like they are going to release it for general consumers at all, I think they specifically designed it to meet a very niche need to control apps for interactive menus and billboards on various commercial displays without having these apps being controlled by a tablet in the backend.
Retail and hospitality also means aiming at thin clients. Thin Client: barebone PCs whose entire function is to load a browser and connect to a server or service like Citrix to do anything of value.
Anything that makes operating systems more open and free I’m all for.
Unfortunately Google Play services exist, but still.
Unlikely
Unless it can run x86 windows application natively otherwise I’m not interested
“unless it does something it’s not supposed to do I’m not happy”
