Hamas has called on Palestinians to stay in their homes after Israel issued sweeping evacuation orders for almost half of Gaza’s more than 2.3 million people ahead of an expected ground offensive.
The Hamas authority for refugee affairs today told residents in the north of the territory to “remain steadfast in your homes and to stand firm in the face of this disgusting psychological war waged by the occupation”.
Translation: “If all the civilians leave, we won’t be able to use them as human shields anymore.”
Edit: It’s also true that Israel has made it extraordinarily difficult to leave. They are not the good guys, here. But there are no good guys here except for the civilians, and we know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is perfectly willing to use them as human shields.
There’s nowhere for them to go…
Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, and Israel just told them to fit in half as much space at a time when they have no fuel, water, or electricity.
It’s fucking impossible. And if they actually move, the Palestinians are smart enough to know they will never be able to access that land again.
Hell, Hamas is the only ones with the resources to move
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You think Israel will just stop and leave the Southern half?
Even if they did, they’re keeping the northern part and annexing it.
But more likely they’ll be invading the southern half immediately after taking the north.
They can’t even leave Gaza, because Israel is attacking the exit to Egypt.
Stop acting like them moving is in any way a valid option. They are literally fucked no matter what they do. And it’s been like this for a long long time.
You think Israel will just stop and leave the Southern half?
Even if they did, they’re keeping the northern part and annexing it.
I’m opposed to what Israel is doing but the truth is that Israel has repeatedly given back land they have captured during conflicts. So yes, they will not be annexing any land. As well, there is way too much international attention on them right now, whereas their approach of taking tiny bites has been subtle enough to avoid causing repercussions, so they most likely just go back to doing that at a later date.
The thing I don’t understand about this invasion is what’s stopping Hamas from just relocating south with the rest of the Palestinians? Sure they’ll lose some heavier equipment that might be hard to move but they don’t have that much of it to begin with. If they stay and fight they’ll lose the equipment anyways, and only end up getting killed. Whereas if they leave with the civilians, then Israel will look stupid after invading Gaza only to find nothing. Huge failure for them.
Literally your first sentence is a lie whilst saying ‘the truth is’
Where do you get your world news?
Apparently I get my world news from the history books, here’s a few examples you can look up:
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1967 Israel takes control of the entire Sinai Peninsula
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1971 Israel returns Sinai Peninsula to Egypt
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1982 Israel invades Lebanon after attacks from militants
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1983 - 1985 Israel slowly withdraws from most of southern Lebanon
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2000 Israeli completes withdrawal from Lebanon
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2005 Israel withdraws all military and civilians from the Gaza Strip and hands over control to the Palestinian Authority
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2007 Hamas violently overthrew the PA in Gaza (bet you didn’t cry about this)
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2023 Israel withdraws from Jenin in the West Bank after invading
1967 Israel takes control of the entire Sinai Peninsula
Yeah… after fighting 3 countries and winning so hard they actually gained ground.
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And they never built illegal settlements or evicted Palestinians from their homes. /s
Never claimed otherwise. In fact, I literally mentioned Israel stealing land when I wrote:
their approach of taking tiny bites has been subtle enough to avoid causing repercussions, so they most likely just go back to doing that at a later date.
I guess that was too abstract?
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I think you get all of the information about the reality of this war from headlines and mainstream Western outlets.
Tell you what, why don’t your layout your excavation plan? I would strongly recommend you do at least some light reading about the reality on the ground first.
I find BBC’s coverage quite impartial, even though a lot of their human side of the stories is from Israel.
There are also plenty Of Western media outlets who are trying to depict both points of view in this conflict which is admirable, but I presume the media in the US is more opinionated.
I also think what Hamas did was horrendous, but I know that the answer of Israel is not the solution either, and it is a pity just because politics and religion so many innocents from both sides have to suffer.
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I’m sorry, but parroting the IDF is not credible. Especially considering we’ve already had reports in the last several days of these IDF evacuation routes being bombed by the IDF.
So either go read up on the realities of Gaza, or GTFO with your idiotic takes.
Have you thought that perhaps Israel could just not bomb a civilian area?
I’d argue that not leaving would hopefully discourage bombing the entire area and 2 million people losing their homes.
Israel “we’ll do it anyway”
Who’s the bad guys here?
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Did you forget what prompted this only a few days ago? I don’t know what kind of response they’d expect.
Did you forget what prompted that? I don’t know what kind of response you expect from locking millions behind a wall on their own land.
It didn’t happen.
And if it happened then it wasn’t me.
And if it was then it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was then they deserved it <— You are here.
Yes, but that’s only the convenient half for the pro-Israeli media.
The inconvenient other half is that they have blocked EVERY possible exit from Gaza, including telling the Egyptians to not allow anyone out.
So, no food, fuel, electricity, medicine, water, or shelters. One of the MOST densely populated regions in the whole world, and they were just expected to what? Walk down the strip to sit in the ‘safe’ bombed out rubble?
Would they be allowed a “right of return” afterwards?
No good options for those residents. So you can use this to rightfully condem Hamas because it suits their political objectives, but that doesn’t change the fact about the rest of what I’ve laid out.
So what would you do? Stay in your home and risk death? Or become homeless and only have a marginally less chance of death?
That’s exactly what I keep thinking about, to hell with what the controlling forces say, the two options in front of those residents aren’t really options. I can’t wrap my head around what that must be like.
Question: is it actually true that Israel doesn’t want Palestinians to leave via the southern border to Egypt? I’ve heard on the news twice (BBC Hardtalk and somewhere else I can’t recall now) that the opposite is true. From what I’ve heard, Israel wants the Palestinians to leave, but Egypt does not want to allow them into their country because it would be a huge burden to feed, house, and police a million+ angry refugees.
It also makes more sense from Israel’s point of view to get the Palestinians out of Gaza. Israel’s greatest danger is, and always has been, the opprobrium of the international community if they kill too many civilians. It would be a huge victory for Israel if the civilians all leave, which is why Hamas wants them to stay!
That’s correct. Egypt does not want to take the Palestinians.
Egypt wants to, but Israel keeps bombing the Palestinian side of the border and won’t agree to letting Egyptian aid in to clear it so people can escape from Israels attacks.
Israel just want all Palestinian land, no matter how. If they leave, great. If they’re all dead, fine. All they care about is the land. Of course Israel would prefer them to just leave and not be their issue anymore, but they caused the issue driving Palestinians into Gaza in the first place, and could just as easily let them out again.
Answer:
Israel keeps saying it’s open, but bombed it three times in 24 hrs too…
Israel on Tuesday dropped bombs next to the only border crossing allowing civilians to flee Gaza after the Israeli military directed Palestinians, looking to escape air strikes in the war against Hamas, toward the crossing.
Lt. Col. Richard Hecht, an IDF spokesman, urged Palestinians to leave the Gaza Strip for Egypt early Tuesday, with the Times of Israel reporting he said: “Rafah crossing is still open. Anyone who can get out, I would advise them to get out.”
This airstrike was the third Israeli attack on the crossing in the last 24 hours and consisted of four missiles, Al Jazeera reported, citing officials from the local Egyptian group, Sinai for Human Rights.
So the crossing is open on the Egypt side, but complete rubble and inaccessible on the Palestinian side
The Egyptian side of the crossing is open, but the Palestinian side is “non-functional” following multiple Israeli airstrikes earlier this week, a senior Jordanian official told CNN Thursday, adding that “the Jordanians and Egyptians are waiting for security clearance from the Israelis to allow (aid) trucks to cross without threat of another airstrike.”
Israel is telling them to do something that’s literally impossible.
The inconvenient other half is that they have blocked EVERY possible exit from Gaza, including telling the Egyptians to not allow anyone out.
Er… that’s not true. They were initially telling Palestinians to go to Egypt. Egypt does not want them in the Sinai and told Israel to provide safe passage through Israel.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rafah-border-gaza-egypt-israel-1.6994234
Yes, it’s true that Egypt does not want to allow a mass exodus of refugees.
It’s also true that Israel has been bombing that area as well.
So not sure what your point is.
It seems like the airstrikes damaging the crossing is a more recent development that I wasn’t aware of. Your CBC article and the CNN article posted above are only an hour old. Your Times of Israel article says this:
The Rafah crossing was open for periods Tuesday morning, but Egypt only allowed through Palestinians who’d already gotten authorization to leave the Strip.
On the Rafah crossing’s Facebook page, Gazans lamented the decision to not open the crossing for anyone wishing to leave, with one user writing: “Interior Ministry, this is not the time to put someone in danger who survived a bombing and miraculously reached the crossing. We cannot return to death.”
In this case staying put will likely save more lives than trying to move 40k people per hour within 24 hours.
Not even Hamas themselves are saying they were doing it in order to prevent loss of lives during the evacuation.
A broken clock is right twice a day
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40k?
It’s 1.1 million people being told to leave their homes…
40k per hour
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Nah, Israel wouldn’t nuke it. Even they can’t convince citizens to resettle there if it’s been irradiated.
Israeli translation: if you don’t get the fuck out so we can capture and resettle half your city we are more than happy, to commit mass murder instead.
to commit mass murder instead.
Mass murder like attacking a festival and killing 260+ people?
Mass murder like threatening to kill 1.1 Million civilians.
Translation this is your land we have nothing left to lose because of systematic destruction of our land and Culture.
Gaza is more densely populated than LA and they have no electricity, water, or fuel.
The only exit is thru Egypt, and Israel keeps blowing it up.
Even if the message got to everyone, there’s no way people could do what Israel told them.
Israel knows this. They weren’t trying to “help” by announcing they’re going to flatten half of Gaza, they want to cause panic and riots.
In this specific case isreal asked residents of Gaza city, a subpart of the Gaza strip to move to a more southern position in the Gaza strip. Like asking people to move from Manhattan to Brooklyn because they are going to blow up Manhattan. People are capable of moving within the Gaza strip. That doesn’t mean there will be housing for them however.
That doesn’t mean there will be housing for them however.
Or food… Or water…
Or shelter for a few days from now when Israel starts bombing the southern half.
All this is doing is motivating residents of Gaza to pick up arms against Israel.
Which a cynic would say is exactly what Israel wants
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Teaching and motivating are two different things. Heck, they are even different words!
So the answer of Israel of what happened 6 daysis to kill even more civilians and to create unimaginable humanitarian catastrophe in an already occupied territory. And what do you think this will achieve? Hint, it is not going to be exactly long lasting peace.
Like asking people to move from Manhattan to Brooklyn because they are going to blow up Manhattan
Even if this analogy was representative, this would ALSO be a complete mess to try and do and that’s in a city with working roads, fuel, transportation options, easy access to telecoms/information, and support personnel. Even with all that, it would not be possible to do in 24 hours.
I don’t think the analogy helped
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I am not defending the atrocities of Hamas, but what Israel is systematically doing with Palestinians isn’t exactly a role model.
I agree that they should try, that wasn’t the part I was commenting on
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And then they bomb and target those places specifically. Israel is staging a genocide. This statements are just lip service to pretend that they are following some formalism of humanitarian law.
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Whatever the case, they bombed it. They should have known the variability in where it would land and called off the operation when they saw the humanitarian corridor was in that zone.
Was anybody actually hurt?
Telling people to go to an area and then bombing a valid target next to it is scary, sure, but it’s not a deliberate attempt to kill civilians.
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Lmao and you take them at face value. You’re either a shill or gullible as fuck.
I tried browsing his comment history because I had the same assessment, and honestly, it’s 50/50.
My best guess is that he’s just so fervently pro-Israel that if he ever comes across anything that doesn’t 100% confirm his own biases, he immediately turns away.
Dude, it’s already happening. Stop taking sides, Israel is conducting a genocide as we speak, and you’re here defending them.
A random guy on the Internet says it’s false. MSN says it’s true.
Gee, who should I believe? /S
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I did. To quote:" Most of the travelers were Dual European-Palestinian families fleeing out of Gaza," Younis Tirawi, a Palestinian reporter, posted on X, along with a video of the chaos shortly after the strike landed. “There were casualties.” The video appeared to show people screaming and running away as smoke billowed near the crossing…
… After the strike, IDF officials said the Rafah border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt was not the specific target in the counter-attack against Hamas and that the bombs were intended to strike an underground smuggling tunnel nearby, per CNN."
Sure sounds like they targeted and hit the border crossing to me. “Nearby” is ambiguous. Could be a mile, could be five feet. “Wasn’t a specific target” implies it was a general target. Otherwise, the statement should have read “was not a target.”
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Some things to consider:
- Check out some maps of Israel-Palestine over time and tell me whether fleeing Palestinians will ever get their homes back
- Gaza has no bomb shelters. The best they have are their own homes, and hospitals – which are already overrun with local populations, let alone migrant populations, and are being targeted by Israeli air strikes
- Israel is using white phosphorous against a territory which, if considered a country on its own, would be the third-most densely populated in the world
- Supplies of food, water, electricity, and fuel have been cut off, so people who leave their local support systems have no chance of acquiring vital supplies
- There is no exit. Sea has a permanent blockade. The only airport has been a crater since 2001. There are two ground crossings (Israel and Egypt), and the Egyptian one has been repeatedly closed due to Israeli missile strikes – after Israel advised civilians to go there.
- Israel is already targeting evacuating convoys
- Earlier this year, displacement from the war in Sudan was repeatedly called a “crisis” by relief orgs when it reached a displacement of 1 million people in a country of 45 million, one month after fighting began. We’re talking about 1 million in a territory of 2.3 million, in 24 hours
Boy, the AI was drinking when it made that summary.
I was reading through it carefully for the issues till I got to the bit where it was explaining unrelated headlines. After that it started to spit out… whatever this was:
The draw on Wednesday night ended a long stretch without a winner of the top prize and brought news media to Midway Market and Liquor in Frazier Park, a community of 2,600 residents about 75 miles north of Los Angeles.
I saw the worst summary I’ve ever seen on a post about a Firefox bug getting fixed recently after 22 years. The summary was like “the day after Firefox launched, this big got fixed!” And it had 10 upvotes
Who the hell is still defending Israel after this declaration to eradicate Palestinians in Gaza?
I’m not sure it is reasonable to “defend” either side at this point. There are radical and moderate, innocent and guilty, peaceful and violent, reasonable and unreasonable people in both Palestine and Israel, and peace proposals have been made and rejected many times. I doubt many people outside of the situation have unlimited support for either side since both sides have committed atrocities.
I would guess that most observers realize that decades of alternating peace and war in Israel have shown that no lasting peace is possible until one side leaves.
After watching this conflict for 40 years, I have empathy fatigue. I don’t really care who wins anymore, but this region has been a powder keg for too long. I also don’t care whose “fault” it is anymore. All parties have to leave that behind and get to practical solutions. 75 years of unresolved active conflict is just too long.
Israel is too powerful. It will not be moved or defeated, and another all-out war by another coalition of Arab states will hurt the Palestinians as much as the Israelis. Nor will Israel ever allow the “right-of-return” of millions of Palestinians to Israel proper because then the Jews would be demographically overwhelmed. Therefore, the most practical, peaceful and humane, if not the most just or fair, solution is for most Palestinians to be properly re-settled outside of Israel, far from the Israeli border, where they can start new lives.
I think your sentiment is specifically against arabs. Would you be suggesting people like ukrainians to abandon their country to end the war that another, larger country started?
No, it has nothing to do with my having a preference for Jews over Arabs, or Ukrainians over Russians, for that matter. If Ukraine and Russia are still fighting and disrupting the region after 75 years, I would say the same thing. In fact, it is sad to say, but most experts think that Ukraine will probably have to trade away some territory for peace. My point is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been going on for 75 years and won’t be settled peacefully as long as Israelis and Palestinians occupy the same land, so some other solution is necessary.
I assume the same applies to the country Russia invades after Ukraine surrenders, like ukraine is after Crimea. And to the next region israel seeks to expand into for Zionism after palestinians are gone.
We are talking along different tracks. Creating the state of Israel in Palestine was obviously a huge mistake, and booting out the Palestinians is certainly unjust. We agree. But now what? People can wish for a more just solution, but 75 years of unresolved conflict and suffering in Israel suggests that less-than-ideal solutions should be considered.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe THIS TIME Israel and Palestine will figure out how to make a lasting peace. But I doubt it.
On their own? Of course not. It’s a lesson we’ve learned before, aggressor states have to be addressed internationally. But currently, the aggressor state is the one being supported internationally. I dont think the people of Israel are like Russia, I think even just pausing aid on the condition that they stop the occupation of Palestinian territory would get them on board. Theyve created a humanitarian nightmare that needs addressing, that can be addressed with international help.
I don’t think Israel is an aggressor state at all. Don’t forget that Israel has withdrawn from Palestinian territory before, and the result is always more attacks. That’s also why Israel still occupies the Golan Heights. Israel has always said that it will trade occupied territory for security guarantees, which no one can give as long as Hamas and Hezbollah are in charge and singularly bent on the destruction of Israel.
But, here we are, going down the same old tired narrative. All of this has been said and tried for decades. It’s a frustrating quagmire for a reason. It’s time for realpolitik, not another ideological crusade to gain justice for the Palestinian people. The Palestinians need to move on and be supported by the international community to do so. I know that isn’t satisfying or fair, but I don’t think that a good solution exists.
I love how so many people think the answer to the displaced Palestinians issue, is to evict every Israeli out of the middle East and displace a whole new generation of people. Coexistence is the only path forward but it isn’t going to happen with natanyahu and Hamas in charge. The young people need to be given charge of their future
Boy that sure is a lot of words being put in my mouth
So… In this case, Hamas is Russia and Israel is Ukraine. Hamas is the one who started the latest attack.
That wasnt the beginning of anything, this has been going on for a long time. The latest attacks have been in response to the humanitarian crisis Gaza has been experiencing from Israels blockade of Gazas border, and military occupation within the country. Israel is trying to eliminate Gaza.
People who think that eradication of Israel is worse.
Between both sides, are there any military lor political leaders that care about Palestinian civilian lives in war? This whole thing is fucked.
When arned people ask you to not leave it’s called a hostage situation. The mean age in Gaza is 18 years old so we’re talking about kids and parents being told by men with guns to not leave.
Crucial missing context: Israel bombed the way out when people tried to take it.
Israeli tactics to steal lands.
