I’m sure this will sit well with the Muslim population of France. Pro Palestine is not pro hamas nor is it antisemitic.
deleted by creator
They sure are strutting right up to the reigning world champions of effective street protest and sticking their chins out, aren’t they?
(Your username makes me hear the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer Krogan blood rage laugh, by the way)
I’m part jewish, european, anti hamas, pro palestine. Why wouldn’t I be allowed to show my support for Palestine? Israel is trying to starve out two million people with a siege and I am not allowed to say anything about it?
I’m guessing the French government is just seizing on the first opportunity they thought they had to quash the national past time of The French People. Outlaw a protest because you think the majority of the people will support such an action, and you can eventually outlaw all protests.
The government of France bans protests… I’ve heard that one before I think. What did the French do after?
Eat cake?
We beheaded the cake
Every government seems to know the people won’t actually do that anymore. Peaceful protest was encouraged when the alternative was violence, but now that it’s not, it can be safely banned. The French are ironically a great example— they are notorious for their protests and revolution, yet when the government ignored them and raised retirement age, nothing happened.
I’m not saying this is good or bad, nor calling for action. It’s merely an observation. I further observe that perhaps this is the humanity tamed enough for governments to once again put the people last, but with the firepower to enforce it eternally. We need good people seeking public office to prevent this, and other solutions.
deleted by creator
When did the yellow vests cut off heads?
deleted by creator
Seems like a pretty reasonable reaction to me? What other notable protests would people who didn’t die 200 years ago think of? I don’t really follow French news, so maybe I’m missing other more recent stuff?
It’s a pretty Eurocentric take to think that the yellow vest protests are on everyone’s radar.
I’d say it’s more of a g8ish centrism. I don’t care about French news in particular. But their protests get a lot of world new attention. I doubt equivalent protests in a place like Hungary would get similar attention, but it would if it were Japan.
We’re taking about France. I’m American and like BBQ but I’m not going to complain about not following international news when we’re in a fucking thread in a comment section talking about fucking France.
Sure but we’re in world news, not France news. We’re talking about France but you can’t expect everyone to be familiar with French politics.
deleted by creator
As wild pointed out, France has a reputation for frequent and massive protests regularly (compared to places like the US). Like, I was partly joking about the recent news thing because its a meme at this point. Obviously I don’t know what was in the mind of theacharnian, but my first thought was to think about what most recently happened when France made major news for protests against banning protests.
I think you’ve lost the plot.
deleted by creator
What about anti-Israel protests, are those still allowed?
I don’t now how do we still consider France a democracy . Controlling public opinion by banning protests and controlling the narrative through billionaires’ owned media, isn’t what comes to my mind when thinking about democracy, reducing it to the freedom to choosing representatives is a slippery slope towards authoritarianism
Yeah Macron and his goons are out of control. I’m 45 yo and I’ve never seen a President that tyrannic and authoritarian, and he’s self-proclaimed centrist. Even the right wing governments I’ve known never went that far. And it’s not going to get any better.
Historic parties have been wiped out from existence in the last 10 years. There are three major parties left. The far-left run by a grumpy old egomaniac (Mélenchon) that ruins any chance of a left win. The center (Macron) which is definitely more right leaning than the historic Right party. The far-right (Lepen/Bardella) which is everything like the current US Republican Party, without the weirdos and outright liars (making it way more dangerous).
My country is an awful mess right now.
Sounds like the same way we still consider the US a democracy.
I’m sorry, France. You are straight up Islamophobic. Go fuck yourselves.
Our government is, and most specifically cette tête de pain sucé de Darmanin
it’s not like there’s nothing to fear
From girls wearing a veil to school?
from an ideology that is at odds with the local culture
Pro-Russia protests were just fine though even though the methods of murdering in Ukraine are not that different.
Were there many pro Russia protests in France?
I don’t know if it was many, but sure were some. Like in Europe in general: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/07/how-russia-is-staging-fake-protests-in-europe-to-discredit-ukraine_6025808_4.html
Disgusting racists and fascists
Why is like 100% of western media doing this shit rather than discussing imposing real trade restrictions on Israel. (also wtf do all these simps fucking love saudi arabia?)
If you thought any measures taken for Ukraine were because of morals you’re very mistaken
Does France have free speech protections? Seems like this would be unconstitutional in the US, but not sure what laws exist there.
They have freedom of the press, but no freedom of speech they way it is guaranteed through the US constitution. in fact they have laws against hate speech and antisemitism.
Interesting, it would seem one can support a Palestinian state and oppose retaliation against innocent Palestinian civilians for the actions of an extremist group without being engaged in hate speech or antisemitism, however much the west really struggles with this concept.
They know which side they stand on and they want all their citizens to align to it.
If that’s their justification then did they forget what democracy is about? It’s quite literally the opposite of having the government determine the people’s stance.
They’re democratic, just not particularly pluralistic. Everybody’s gotta be culturally French, very tyranny of the majority types.
Because it’s a stick to beat Muslim citizens with. It’s what all conservative French governments have been doing for the last 15 years, more or less openly depending on Le Pen’s (father or daughter) polling numbers. Darmanin is about as anti-Muslim pro-police-state as they come.
“Freedom of speech” as it’s known in the US is slightly misnamed. It’s more accurately “freedom from government regulation of speech”, and the EU doesn’t really have the same protections.
deleted by creator
They have a lot of things that can be set on fire. That’s a form of free speech protection.
More importantly, they have a police force that won’t massacre protesters.
Most European countries do have free speech protections, but with much more limitations than in the US. (IIRC the US would also not allow e.g. speech calling for a lynch mob, as long as it’s specific enough.)
Various forms of hate speech, including support for terrorist organizations, are covered by those. Terrorist usually isn’t just what the government dislikes; it usually requires (or is subject to review by) a court decision.
There are obvious arguments against such rules, but there are very few social benefits to letting people support literal child murdering terrorists, call for the lynching of certain groups of people, claim that the Holocaust never happened and should be repeated (sic), or just march up and down the street in Nazi uniforms showing off their right arms much to the dismay of any survivors, their descendants, and the people who would be next on the list.
The main risk is the government abusing its power to ban all anti-government protests. Europe has decided that this risk is small enough with all checks and balances in place to be worth the social benefit. The US has decided otherwise.
