The death toll means around ten percent of the kibbutz’s population was wiped out
The bodies of more than 100 people were discovered by volunteers in a single, small Israeli village Monday — including those of children — believed to have been killed by Hamas militants caught on camera.
The remains were discovered in Be’eri, or Bari, a kibbutz in southern Israel close to Gaza. It’s one of the villages Hamas militants invaded on Saturday as they began their attack on the country.
“Today the volunteers entered Kibbutz Bari and it is impossible to explain in words the terrible sights - some were adults, some were children. These are horrors that cannot be grasped in the mind or soul,” a spokesperson for Zaka search and rescue told IDF radio.
Hamas thought this operation would change everything.
They were right, but not in the way they expected. All they’ve done is turn soft sympathisers like myself away from their cause. They deserve everything they get and it’s not going to be pretty. The Palestinian who will be killed during crossfire are on Hamas hands this time and the rest of the world will see it that way. absolute own goal, so they could… massacre a bunch of civilians. Hamas showing military genius of the likes of Russia
No, the Gaza residents don’t deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS… for the big guy.
How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.
You can’t kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.
Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they’re both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.
You just contradict yourself. You can’t kill your way out of this kind of conflict. Then you say you can complete genocide. So you can kill your way out of this.
That is likely what they are going to do. Starve out and destroy Gaza so everyone leaves. Then enter it and take it over and build another wall woth even more guns and keep pushing new walls further back to make the balstics Hamas use less effective.
This conflict is Israel vs Hamas, at least on paper. So even if Israel ramps up strikes without care of civilian death, that is still different then an actual intentional and systemic genocide.
So no, Israel cannot kill it’s way out of this current conflict.
Of course they can and they are doing it. They are going to destroy Gaza block by block until everyone has fled or is killed and there is nothing but rubble to go back too. Then Isreal will just take over the land and move in.
I understand that is ultimate dream of Bibi, Ben-Gvir, and a disturbingly large number of genocidal zealots that support them, but no, that is not going to be what happens with this specific conflict at this time.
Eventually, they will withdraw from Gaza and leave the millions of Palestinians left to starve and suffer in the rubble.
Let’s say, hypothetically, that Hamas was actually somehow destroyed, every leader killed, and 200k fighters dead. What kind of organization do you think would rise up to replace it?
Looks like they are doing a pretty good job if leveling Gaza right now and don’t appear to be stopping anytime soon
Option A won’t work out for them if they and their buddies cease existing and the strip is radioactive glass. Same with their buddies Hezbollah. And Israel, regardless of strategic ambiguity, almost certainly has the capability to pull it off.
Setting aside your own genocidal fantasies, which are beyond fucked up, I think you should pick up a map of the region and look at it. Like really look at it.
And if, within 10 secs, you don’t understand just how incredibly dumb your idea is, I think you should immediately get a vasectomy, because that would mean you’re way way way too stupid to ever be allowed to reproduce.
Please, for the sake of the world, snip snip.
I am a member of the United States Navy SSBN force, trained to set condition 1SQ for Strategic Launch of thermonuclear warheads if and when called upon to do so without hesitation. Each missile is capable of carrying in excess of ten multiple independent reentry vehicles, and each warhead is capable of at least ten times the power of Hiroshima.
What do you do for a living?
Yep, you definitely should snip snip. Please, for the sake of world’s gene pool.
Nah, my shipmates already have dozens of children, all slated to enlist or commission in the most powerful nuclear navy in the world when they are eligible. You should’ve seen Family Day on the pier. Our next generation of recruits are already on their way and lining up, our next strategic weapons platforms are already being built and slated for DASO in the next few years. Just earlier this year, we surfaced SSBNs in both Faslane, Scotland and Busan, South Korea, and an SSGN in Perth, Australia. Our SSNs are everywhere lurking beneath the waves, and our Seawolves are listening and stalking wherever they’re needed.
So stand down, civilian. There’s no stopping this war machine.
Holy shit. You’re easily one of the dumbest and most delusional people I’ve ever come across on Lemmy, or even Reddit.
Or, you’re a very committed and very bored troll.
Either way, there’s definitely something special about you. So… congrats?
Shut up boot, you are either new to the fleet or everyone else in your shop hates you. It’s probably both.
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings, where as Hamas always aims for civilians. And they use their own people as human shields. It’s gotten harder and harder to sympathize, and keep seeing their point of view.
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings,
They’re not doing that right now, that’s for sure.
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy. Where’s the news story of Israel officials blowing up the wall, murdering innocent people and foreigners at a music festival while stripping them and parading them through the streets?
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy
So the idf?
Show me the report of Israeli forces parading a naked foreigner through the streets after blowing up a music festival
Oh you got me that specific thing I can’t show because why could I? I can do the same, show me one instance of a Palestinian executing a us citizen by bulldozer for 15 minutes.
Lmao what? They cut off water to civilians. It’s over. Palestinian women and children are going to be dying in massive numbers over the next week.
That doesn’t even begin to include the number of Palestinian civilians being shelled to oblivion in the supposed “safe areas” designated by the authorities.
Hamas human shields
Bro they’re been demolishing civilian infrastructure for decades, most of the time Palestinian Gaza does not have power because Israel bombs the power station.
Literally the opposite. Like in black and white, in the data on death tolls since 1948 or whenever you want to start counting. Palestine doesn’t have a military, Israel doesn’t allow them to. How would they be targeted if they don’t exist? Every. Single. Time. Someone from
Hamas does something stupid out of desperation, takes out a couple Israeli soldiers, and Israel responds by slaughtering hundreds to thousands of Palestinian civilians. Completely disproportionate in every way.
Like it’s kind of wild how much gall it takes to straight up REVERSE a statistic like that, and state it as fact. You should be ashamed of yourself.
https://twitter.com/UNSCO_MEPP/status/1393940810937348098?s=20
I look forward to the evidence you will provide that disproves the UN’s claim that Hamas purposely uses heavily populated civilian areas to stage attacks. Also, I think Hamas did more than “take out a couple Israeli soldiers” this time.
It is possible to condemn Israel’s far right government while also recognizing Hamas as scum. We can simultaneously damn both for killing civilians without making it seem like one has given the other justification.
You’re advocating for the rape, murder and kidnapping of women and children and I should be shamed of myself right? Palestine may have been a great state once, but now it’s a terrorist stronghold and you can say Palestinians are a race but they’re not, they’re a nationality. They’re Arab, and the Arab world hates and rejects them too cause they’re extremists. Again what they were is what they were, now they’re just a band of terrorists hanging on for dear life
I haven’t advocated for shit, and people like you make good faith discussions about this topic impossible.
You clearly know very little actual history of the region.
agree. fuck hamas. every death of this conflict is on their hands
Maybe you shouldn’t speak on this one bud
Palestinians using violent means might think they’re succeeding because they are actually getting landback for the first time in decades, but they fail to consider how bad it looks to me, a guy on the internet who thinks it would be better for their PR if they kept dying instead.
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
False, they did. And they only lose more if Israel continues its genocide, which you’re prob gonna advocate.
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
Like I said. Grotesque, as usual 🤣
False, they did
what, a bloodsoaked festival ground? for long?
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It’s a Tankie - what do you expect?
Have you seen the air raids in the Gaza strip? They fucked up big time. They’re getting carpet bombed, I can’t believe they didn’t see this coming
It was always unclear who was worse because it as always a tit for tat that has been going on for so long. It is such a complex issue.
What is not complex is this terror attack was totally one-sided and came at a time when tensions had been dropping and things seemingly improving. It is clear Hamas has gone too far, and it was just brutal to witness.
Isreal government leadership needs to change, and Hamas needs to be eliminated. Netanyahu has been in power for far too long and its dangerous, and unlikely to resolve and issues they have.
Once he is gone and Hamas is gone, they can perhaps come back to the bargaining table.
Hamas could probably extrapolate what came next, it’s not exactly new ground. As for your sympathy, it didnt change a damn thing for them in the first place what did they lose?
Hamas has always supported genocide against Jewish Israelis, they have always been extreme. You had sympathy for that? WTF bro!?
sympathy for the plight of the poor bastards being used as pawns by their genocidal terrorist leaders? yeah of course I do. Why would I be in favour of wiping the people out?
You shouldn’t, but you phrased in a way that made it sound like the Palestinian masses are responsible for Hamas.
The masses aren’t interested in instigating war or conflict. Muslims and Jews both could live in peace like they did before the West took over, but that would disrupt the western hegemony. I think people should blame leaders, including leaders outside the Middle East when we are looking for reasons for this never ending and bloody conflict.
At the next Hamas leadership meeting
“Guys our attacks are causing us to lose the support of Internet neckbeards that kind of sort of support us but never did anything at all to show that support”
“Oh no, they’re our most crucial supporters”
“I told you we should have just kept letting the IDF commit war crimes on us with impunity”
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I think you’re trying to simplify things. Both can be shitty but you need to be blind to think this “Hamas” attack is actually Palestinians.
you’d be blind if you think I even said that
Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.
Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel’s bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.
Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.
I’m worried about how many civilian casualties there will be
from what i know about the Conflict and the current Israeli Government and Military, there will be massive retaliations against the Palestine Populations everywhere ensuring that no Wounds get mended, instead new ones get opened and this conflict continues on forever.
Every day for decades Israelis have been destroying Palestinian villages and killing or injuring innocent Palestinians.
How would you feel if Israelis burnt your toddler to death?
https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-palestinian-child-burnt-to-death-20150730-story.html
Israel is the oppressor, they are the only side who has the power to end this situation and give the Palestinians back their freedom instead of murdering them in ghettos.
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Not saying you’re wrong, but Israel funded those fanatics so the Palestinian peace movement would lose steam. They wanted this to happen.
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Why would I point the finger at Hamas? It wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I feel the same way about al queda, we created it so we don’t get to complain.
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Officially yes.
Incorrect, netanyahu just didn’t hide it very well, bro there’s so many times where you have documented accounts of Israel letting Hamas attacks happen and then moving to stop them. It’s exactly the same were just father apart.
Hamas could have and would have been exterminated in the 90s if Israel thought it benefitted them very simple, they needed a existential enemy so they made one.
Suck when Hamas uses you as a human shield
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I hope you feel strongly enough about this to go join Hamas. It’s your chance to stand up to the Zionists, and heroically blow up a music festival full of innocent people. And suffer the consequences.
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Veteran of the armed forces, explains a lot from colonizer boot thug. You’re used to policing and blowing up the brown people, so you know all about it. I actually grew up during a war, a civilian in an American instigated conflict, so I probably know a lot more than you about what it’s like to live during a war and bombing, you’re just good at dropping said bombs
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Israel is the oppressor
I don’t disagree with this line, but they are also the victim. The origins of the nationalist movement for a Jewish state came in light of Russian pogroms killing Jews – a Jewish scholar noted that the only way they could have peace, freedom, and respect seemed to be having a nation of their own.
Israel has absolutely been the oppressor for a lot of the country’s history, but it takes some fucking gall to say Israel is the oppressor after Hamas killed and kidnapped civilians. Your logic in fact would suggest Israel has the moral high ground now. The Hamas attack has killed a ton of innocent people, including children.
Tell me, does Hamas have the right to kill Israeli children because the Israeli government killed Palestinian children? If so, does Israel have the right if we reverse the situation?
What the Israeli government has done to Palestinians is a war crime and an atrocity. That does not mean Israel is the villain and Hamas is the good guy. The opposite isn’t true either. You’re grossly simplifying the conflict and not trying to understand its roots.
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
“Settlements.” What a cute word for “genocide.”
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
Very sad to see for the village.
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