So when Israel was given it’s land via the Balfour treaty both sides were happy for a while. Yea some were pissed off but didn’t act out.
Then when Israel got settled and comfy they decided to try to grab the rest of “their” land even though this broke the treaty.
Since then the land grab has gotten blatant and they’ve created their own laws to justify it, to the point that even me saying this is seen as antisemitism even though it is totally truthful.
Well done Israel, what did you think would happen.
The ICC still want a word too!
Apartheid is still alive.
Victim blaming…
The victims are the Palestinians.
I believe the Israeli civilians being killed and held hostage would also qualify as victims here.
Yeah, we should separate the citizens from the government. Unless there really is overwhelming support from the citizens for the actions of the government. I don’t know about that situation over there.
That way, you can blame the Israeli government for the deaths of the citizen, singular?
Exactly. The victims are the Palestinian people and Israeli people who can’t stop those in charge from doing what they are doing. The vast majortiy of victims that disproportionately suffer more are Palestinians, a clear consequence of continued Israeli aggression and occupation, police-protected settler violence, and relentless land-grabbig. Israel put itself, it’s citizens, and all the Palestinians under the bus by committing apartheid.
Yeah to an extent but the population support and enable their apartheid state, land grabbing and murderous policies. These are the consequences. I don’t want to see anyone dead but this isn’t a surprise and I stand with Palestine.
Oh yea right sorry for giving you the obvious blatant truth!
This is a tragedy, but similar to the invasion of Ukraine with Isreal being Russia.
Wow, no one is going to mention what Israel is doing to these people? I don’t agree with terrorists, but the replies should be more nuanced than ‘bad Palestines’.
In my eyes, as an outsider following the news, Israel has pushed Palestinians to the brink by killing Palestine civilians, seizing more of their land AGAIN and having a dictator for a president that just changed the constitution…
If you take people’s land, your military kills children, films and laughs about it, push them into poverty, and then come for their homes… Sometimes this is the only way to say ‘enough’.
I think the tragedy is that this goes both ways: if a group of people that just escaped a genocide, gets attacked by all its neighboring countries as soon as they have a state of their own, are explicitly threatened with extinction and are attacked over and over again by military actions and terrorist attacks… sometimes people will try to assert absolute dominance in order to try to ensure their own physical safety above everything else.
Note: I am very much not justifying any of the above. I just think that it’s not very surprising that people act this way, and that Hamas & Co of course know this - just as the Israeli government & Co know how people react to their actions. In my opinion neither the Israeli government (and orthodox settlers etc.) nor the Hamas (and similar groups) are honestly trying to unfuck the situation.
I wish more people could look at this like you. The violence currently ongoing in Israel is unconscionable – no treatment can justify attacking civilians. It’s just as unconscionable as Israel bombing civilians in Palestine.
Neither action is productive even in a war context. Killing civilians doesn’t get you closer to your goal. It just makes your enemy even angrier and gives them righteous justification for their actions. But even that doesn’t justify them killing your civilians.
Hamas and Israel’s conservative government are content to keep killing innocent people – to what end? How do they not see that it’s completely unproductive to their own goals?
Come live in israel and see how is it for us. And I’m saying this as a left wing pro human rights anti settlement opposer of the current fascist government
Come live in Gaza?
I’m glad you oppose you fascist government. Sadly, like it is here in America, a lot of the citizens support the fascism. If you see interviews with Israelis, they often talk like Palestinians aren’t even human. It’s so saddening.
There appears to be some confusion. Before anyone decides to post a viewpoint based upon a timeslot of their choosing, please search for yourselves when Israel was created and its boundaries. Then track the boundaries every 10 years and see where they are today. Then ask yourselves what you would do if you were pressed so far.
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Palestinians are defending their home. Good luck to them.
Never seen rape and beheading of children to be part of “defense” plan of any country.
Israel has been trying to inflict genocide on the Palestinian people.
You do realize there’s no “trying” part if they wanted to? Just look at previous conflicts between these two sides and see how disproportionate the power is.
Israel has killed and displaced millions of Palestinians.
well, russia. that’s the kind of company these brain dead commenters like to keep
I suppose your have a point.
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Good luck to the Palestinian freedom fighters! Apartheid must end!
You are cheering people that have been gunning down civilians at a bus stops. Try to take a moment to really reflect on that some time.
No, this doesn’t mean I support Israel, before you ask.
I hate that people make this into a binary. I don’t support either side here, I just hate the people killing civilians. And between this Hamas attack and Israel’s airstrikes on civilian areas, there is no moral side to take. Bloody butchers lead both of them.
We need a Palestinian group that decries Hamas and stands against any violence to Israeli civilians, and we need an Israeli group that decries their conservative government and stands against any violence to Palestinian civilians. Until either side pledges to protect both groups of civilians, there will be no progress. Only blood.
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War is hell, but few wars have ever been more justified than this one.
