• Atemu
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      It depends. Expended energy/m is higher but space usage is much lower. For walking you arguably don’t even need a paved path while (non-sport) cycling needs a somewhat even surface and places to store and lock the bike. It’s not nearly as bad as with cars but even with cycling, space usage can become an issue in very densely populated areas; the Dutch don’t build massive bike garages because it’s cool (okay, maybe also a little of that) but because it’s a necessity.

      If it’s near enough to walk, it’s usually better to just walk.

    • ntzm [he/him]
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      112 years ago

      More people are happy to walk than bike, and getting hit by a bike is worse than getting walked into by another person

    • @NateNate60@lemmy.ml
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      22 years ago

      The bike’s production has a non-zero carbon footprint. A very small footprint, but one that is there nonetheless. The carbon footprint of walking is negligible in comparison.

      • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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        102 years ago

        Shoe production has a non-zero carbon footprint, especially with the vast majority of shoes being a “single use” product (i.e. not resoleable) and with a very limited amount of miles

        • Uranium3006
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          I’m surprised by how fast I wear holes in my shoes from walking.

      • Uranium3006
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        this is true, although they all round down to 0 when compared to car travel so past a certain point we don’t have to worry about it

      • @SkyNTP@lemmy.ml
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        Debatable, and largely depends on a person’s diet and some other factors like how much travel is getting done. If someone is fueling their biking (or walking) by flying in beef from the other side of the world, I think it is pretty safe to say that their carbon footprint is worse than a typical gas car, (because air travel and beef are just that bad) or if not that at least an electric car from renewables and ethically sourced materials. For everything else in between, we’d just be speculating and we’d have to factor in source and type of car fuel, and the source and type of additional food consumed by a cyclist where that “additional food” line lies exactly.

        Controlling for diet, distance and purpose of travel, I think cycling virtually always wins over walking.

  • @i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world
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    Is c level a motorcycle or an e-bike? I’ve never seen an icon for an e-bike before, and if it is, I am loving the conciseness of the design. If not, there’s no way a motorcycle is better than a line bus right?

    Just a bonus note from a Dutch guy, the text just below say lekker blijven likken, or: ‘just keep on licking’.

  • @MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works
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    How is a moped better than a tram?

    Edit: I mean for the environment, I’m sure mopeds are better than trams in other ways - like for doing tricks and making quick runs to the supermarket to get bread and milk

      • @knotthatone@lemmy.world
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        42 years ago

        Ocean liners are all but extinct. They’ve been supplanted by cruise ships which are utterly horrific for the environment.

          • @Voyajer@lemmy.world
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            12 years ago

            Sailboats shouldn’t be that bad considering what goes into their construction and that they don’t actively produce pollutants beyond whatever wears off your rope and I guess painting the hull every couple of years.

    • @MJBrune@lemmy.world
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      62 years ago

      Boats put out more CO2 than cars. Water is more dense than air and friction of tires and rolling and etc. Boats are overall worse for the environment both on climate change and environmental damage.

    • @Hazdaz@lemmy.world
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      22 years ago

      This guy’s gonna drive his boat to work!

      There isn’t a canal, inlet or fjord everywhere.

      • YMS
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        In real life, the system is screwed, and vehicles are not measured just by their energy consumption, but by their energy consumption compared to other vehicles of similar weight, so in the end there are heavy SUVs with much better ratings than compact cars.

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    Image Transcription:

    A sticker attached to a pole with a QR code in the top right corner. Down the left side are the letters A to G on coloured tags with arrow-angled right ends, and under G a black coloured tag with HELL written on it, in the style of the European Union’s energy efficiency labels found on appliances. Each tag ranges in colour from dark green to red and increases in size the further down it goes. Each arrow end indicates a different silhouette.

    The A tag is dark green and very short, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a walking stick figure.

    The B tag is a slightly lighter green than A and slightly longer, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a bicycle.

    The C tag is light green and slightly longer than B, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an moped.

    The D tag is yellow and slightly longer than C, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a subway train.

    The E tag is orange and slightly longer than D, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a car.

    The F tag is orange-red and slightly longer than E, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a yacht.

    The G tag is red and the length increase from F is almost triple that of previous length increases, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an airplane.

    The HELL tag is black and longer than G, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a tank.

    [I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

    • Iron Lynx
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      So some errors:

      • the C tag points to a silhouette of a moped, not an e-bike.
      • the D tag points to the silhouette of a subway train, not a bus. You can tell by the wheel sets.
      • most egregiously, the F tag points to the silhouette of a yacht

      EDIT: As pointed out in one comment, it’s the F tag pointing to a yacht, not the G tag. I corrected the post.

      EDIT2: Our transcriber has updated their post to reflect the changes. Well done good person! 👍

        • Iron Lynx
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          22 years ago

          … good point, I’ll correct it. The one pointing to a yacht is definitely not pointing to a train car, that was the point.

      • @Transcriptionist@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        My bad! I had a lot of trouble with this one, I’ll admit. Thank you so much for the information, I’ve edited my comment. 💜

    • @okamiueru@lemmy.world
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      22 years ago

      The only subtle detailed you missed, which is not surprise, is that Sweden and Norway (not sure which if the other skandies, maybe this is a EU thing, hm) use those letters, with those colors, and those arrows to indicate energy efficiency rating. So, it could be a nudge at the relationship between reducing emissions or suffer consequences of global warming, which will eventually lead to famine and war.

    • Skua
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      Mate you ever rowed a boat? That shit is hard work, it goes below the bike for sure

      Of course, the pedalo manages to combine the worst of both worlds and seems to exist solely as a way to work your quads out without looking like you’re doing a gym session

      • snooggums
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        Yes, both rowboats and canoes are fun and not much work unless you are trying to directly overcome a tide or current.

      • @0ops@lemm.ee
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        12 years ago

        If you have good balance, I think paddle boards are more efficient than a kayak, assuming your not carrying a load. You can put your whole body into the stroke. Kayaking destroys my shoulders

        • Skua
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          I’m definitely biased here since I spent years kayaking and have only gone paddleboarding twice, and I also definitely don’t want to just be all “lol skill issue”, but I think this might be an issue with your (kayak) paddling technique. You should be using your whole torso rather than your arms and shoulders

          • @0ops@lemm.ee
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            22 years ago

            I’m sure you’re right. I only have minimal experience with both.

        • @woobie@lemmy.world
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          12 years ago

          Anecdotal information from my observations only: I have two paddle boards, and a tandem kayak. When we go out, the person(s) in the kayak are always able to go faster with less effort - even if they are solo. Rowboats with oar locks are generally faster still, and none of us can even hope to keep up with one of those Hobie kayaks with the pedal driven mid drive.