And rightfully so. The US isn’t the world police and doesn’t have the right to block entire countries just because they feel like it. Just imagine China or Russia doing the same to some random European country. The double standards speak volumes. This is not the way.
Well Russia is currently bombing a European country which I personally consider much worse than an embargo.
Well, I’m sorry, but I don’t see how two wrongs makes a right. This is some massive whataboutism. Both an embargo on Cuba and Russia bombing other countries are horrendous activities.
Sure, but the comment I was replying to made a direct comparison with Russia.
First and foremost, that was my comment. Secondly, it still doesn’t make it okay. It’s not a real argument. If the US can pull this shit off, why can’t Russia or China. I’m not excusing their actions, but just look at it from the perspective of someone from one of those countries. They see the US invading countries, putting embargos on others, and a bunch of other crap. Why shouldn’t they do the same? The invasion of Iraq was just as justified as the invasion of Ukraine. Same shit based on bullshit arguments. Yet somehow one is more acceptable than the other. I’d rather not have any of them. And I’m from Eastern Europe just for context :)
I’m not justifying anything. I was just reacting to this:
Just imagine China or Russia doing the same to some random European country.
Which was a weird sentence - we don’t have to imagine anything, Russia is already doing much worse.
The US this year has launched airstrikes in Syria, Somalia and possibly Yemen. That is not somehow better, just because they’re not a European country. And even if it were better, another country doing really shitty things is not a good argument for why a separate country can do maybe-less-shitty-but-still-shitty things.
Cuba has been under full trade embargo by the US for over 60 years, after the US Bay of Pigs Invasion failure. Russia only has sanctions and embargoes by the US on some products though, despite invading a European country. How does that happen?
relevance?
the US isn’t blockading Cuba, they’re just embargoing it. There’s a difference.
It’s not a direct blockade, but the US has in the past threatened to cut off financial aid to any country that trades with Cuba, disallows foreign subsidiaries of US companies to trade, and even threatens sanctions upon foreign companies that do any trade in or with the US that also trade in Cuba.
The UN has cited to condemn it every year for many years, with usually only the US and Israel voting against. They say it is a violation of international law and the UN charter.
It is abhorrent and unjustifiable, and has a real cost in human lives and suffering.
Well the americans here seem to think that if they call one thing legal then it must be legal, because after all they’re playing world police. And then they wonder why two thirds of the world despise their government…
And yet Biden keeps the sanctions, and additional things Trump added like the terrorist list.
And people wonder why the left keeps saying Dems and Republicans are the same. They’re a bit further apart on a small amount of domestic issues, but geopolitically? They’re just as evil and determined to keep/expand American domination and exploitation across the globe to the detriment of billions in the global south.
a bit further apart on a small amount of domestic issues
I think trans people and abortions rights advocates could not disagree more.
This would be why those who say “both sides are the same” are derided. You can make a very apt criticism of Democrats for continuing these policies when they have the ability to end them, while not minimizing LGBT rights and abortion rights.
You aren’t going to win until you build coalitions, and you aren’t going to build coalitions until you learn to value issues that you don’t personally care about. All you do by saying the parties are the same is that you don’t care about what they differ on, and unsurprisingly, people on the left dislike those who think abortion and LGBT rights don’t matter.
you’re absolutely right. perfect should be the enemy of good.
you honestly believe the global south will be no worse if the world’s only hegemon turns fascist?
It’s unacceptable that this embargo continues, and it’s even more unacceptable that the US threatens countries for not respecting it. This is an old carryover from the cold war, and we’d be better off ending the embargo entirely. If that’s not politically feasible in the US, then at the very least remove any threats against countries which do trade with Cuba.
It’s hard to not draw comparisons to sanctions on Russia, but they’re completely different situations. Russia is actively invading another country this moment. That geopolitical issue is ongoing. The geopolitical issue with Cuba is not.
How does this embargo work? Is it that the US is not trading with Cuba or are they blocking other countries from trading with Cuba as well?
Yeah. No. Like, I’m not a fan of the embargo, I don’t see any purpose to it.
That being said, it is patently idiotic to say that it’s illegal for the US to not want to trade with Cuba. Brazil can trade with whoever they want and embargo whoever they want. Same with the US. It’s called national sovereignty. If the US was interdicting shipping going to Cuba, or blocking air traffic, or whatever, then he might have a point, but that’s not happening.
US trade policy with Cuba might be unproductive and ill advised, but it is dishonest to say that it is an illegal policy. It’s never illegal to not trade with a certain country. Cuba doesn’t have a right under international law to sell their exports to American consumers.
I don’t think you understand the extent of this “embargo”. It goes far beyond simply not trading with them.
It’s not a direct blockade, but the US has in the past threatened to cut off financial aid to any country that trades with Cuba, disallows foreign subsidiaries of US companies to trade, and even threatens sanctions upon foreign companies that do any trade in or with the US that also trade in Cuba. They’ve also begun attempting to strangle their tourism, by disqualifying any person who visits the island from ESTA - which lets citizens from countries like those in the EU visit the US visa-free. This makes travel extremely difficult, requiring a costly and time consuming visa application which could be denied.
The UN has voted to condemn it every year for many years, with usually only the US and Israel voting against. They say it is a violation of international law and the UN charter. (https://www.un.org/en/ga/62/plenary/cuba/bkg.shtml)
It is abhorrent and unjustifiable, and has a real cost in human lives and suffering.
That’s all legal actions the US can take.
You and I agree that they’re unwise and unjustified. But they’re legal.
The UN says it’s in violation of international law, he literally gave you a link…
The UN is a political organization and says whatever countries vote it to say. It’s also not a legislative organization, it’s basically a big political club of people who like to write strongly worded letters about things. Only the UNSC has teeth, and that hasn’t declared it illegal for obvious reasons.
The USA is a political organisation.
Okay, I suppose, but it’s also a sovereign nation, whole the UN is not
The UN is like 198 sovereign nations
I mean I get it. We were trying to rebuild ties with Cuba but then wasn’t it Obama as well as Cheeto Mussolini also fuckin it up? I remember we open up to them a few years back.
Obama is the one that reopened the embassy and tried to re-establish relations. Trump immediately reversed it and re-sanctioned.
