• jaykrown@lemmy.worldOP
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    2 days ago

    We live in a weird late stage capitalist situation where the producer sees the consumer as competition which is why we’re seeing the artificial scarcity and GPUs just sitting idle in warehouses.

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      Once again, you are misusing the word competition. Consumers aren’t producing RAM, adding supply to the market, or competing with another company for sales.

      If these companies want to rent computing power to consumers while reserving the RAM supply for themselves, they are consolidating control over the market. That’s a supply-side market concentration issue, not competition between consumers and manufacturers.

      Sam Altman, OpenAI, and other tech executives don’t view the consumer base as competition. They view consumers as potential customers for their computing services. They want to own the infrastructure and rent access to it. A consumer renting computing power from a company isn’t competing with that company.

      You’re confusing two entirely different economic concepts. You’re wrong, and I’m not saying that to be mean. I’m simply pointing out an objective distinction in how competition works in economics.

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          I have no idea… Why would you buy what they’re selling if you can run it on your gaming computer?

          You doing something on your own in the same way a company would do it for profit still isn’t competition as defined by economics.

          You still don’t know what competition means.

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            No, you just don’t really understand what you’re reading and you’re arguing shit the guy isn’t even saying.

            ITT: Talk of ECONOMIC COMPETITION in the sense of a multiple companies chasing the same consumers, and there is also LITERAL FUCKING COMPETITION FOR WHO GETS TO USE THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF CHIPS PRODUCED.

            He keeps talking about the second point and you keep pointing at the first one, which isn’t really what he was fucking talking about.

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                Don’t thank him he has no idea what he’s talking about. You’re just agreeing because he’s on your side. You still don’t know what competition means or why your statement is not only wrong but makes no sense.

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                  You’re going to argue with that guy about what he meant by what he wrote?

                  And you think somehow you know better than he does, about what he wrote?

                  And somehow we’re all assholes for noticing that you actually CAN’T read fucking minds, and apparently can’t read English off a website?

                  ok you can go back to disappointing your parents now. I’ve had more than enough of being incorrectly mansplained at by an illiterate narcissist.

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                    At this point in the conversation, I generally consider this sort of response to be a concession, particularly when you can’t actually factually address anything I’ve said and instead resort to “nu-uhh” and “you’re stupid.”

                    I have to say, being called illiterate by someone who writes this kind of contrived drivel is the sweetest irony. Not only do you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of competition in the economic sense, but you also apparently don’t understand what the words literate, narcissist, and mansplain mean.

                    We’re definitely done here.

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              This is the entirety of OP’s post. It is factually and objectively incorrect. It doesn’t have a second point, and it barely has a first.

              Consumers competing to buy RAM because of some supposed scarcity simply isn’t happening. If you have the money, you can buy all the RAM you want. It’s in stock practically everywhere; it’s just incredibly expensive. That’s an entirely different kind of market dynamic. It’s called demand. The idea that consumers are somehow fighting over a limited supply of RAM is nonsense.

              Companies aren’t chasing customers or anyone else for that matter. They’re supplying RAM to whoever is willing to pay the most for it, i.e., data centers and AI technology companies. They’re actively prioritizing those customers and refusing to supply the consumer market. That’s the exact opposite of competing for consumers.

              If a new company enters the market and begins supplying RAM to meet consumer demand, there will be very little competition for those customers. In fact, consumers will buy from them hand over fist because there’s an underserved market waiting to be supplied.

              I 100% understand what I’m reading, which is precisely why I’m commenting on it and explaining not only why this isn’t competition but also why OP fundamentally misunderstands what competition actually is.

              Apparently, you’re also struggling with some rather basic, ninth-grade economics. 🤷

              And the sheer confidence with which you proclaim such simple-minded nonsense is… incredible.