• DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Existence of evil isn’t proof that [the Christian] God doesn’t exist, for a variety of reasons, some less obvious than others. Although it’s still very unlikely that he does exist.

    Which is generally irrelevant, because faith is entirely separate from objective facts. You don’t need to consider the hypothetical existence of God to be a true fact in order to be a good Christian. To ‘believe’ in him means something else completely, but depending on your language it might not make linguistic sense (assuming it makes sense at all, but that’s a separate discussion).

    The same is, however, not true for Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity (stupid ass name), Mormonism, or some others. Mostly because they have nothing to do with Christianity, and are just… well, scams.

    Catholicism, and most other Christian denominations, use Christianity in a similar fashion to the Nazis using swastikas.

    The main idea of Christianity is that earthly life is essentially an entrance exam for the next, true life. You live your life as best you can, then you’re judged afterwards, and if you pass - you go to heaven, which is supposedly a paradise free of evil.

    So evil (or what we generally consider to be ‘evil’) being omnipresent does not prove anything in the context of Christianity. The crucial part is whether or not evil exists in the ‘next life’. Conveniently, we’ll never know until we reach it, so it’ll probably never be possible to prove anything on this topic.

    I’m not sure if it’s still possible to track where it all started, but to me it seems quite likely that precisely this idea of ‘true life’ or ‘soul’ being disconnected from physical, observable, empirical reality is where all our troubles with capitalism started.

    If this life is largely meaningless, and the real one starts after we die, then sooner or later some people will just do whatever they want. And if humans are the only ‘intelligent’ beings, or the only beings with souls (Christianity + later Enlightenment philosophy), then mass destruction of nature is morally sound.

    Then add focusing on accumulation of capital, as well as industrial machinery, and you arrive where we are today, pretty much.

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      7 hours ago

      You don’t need to consider the hypothetical existence of God to be a true fact in order to be a good Christian.

      Other than the fact that according to the Bible you need a personal relationship with God in order to be a Christian and spend eternity with God.

      The main idea of Christianity is that earthly life is essentially an entrance exam for the next, true life. You live your life as best you can, then you’re judged afterwards, and if you pass - you go to heaven, which is supposedly a paradise free of evil.

      See above, according to the Bible, no one will be judged good enough based on how they lived their life and the only hope of getting to heaven is a personal relationship with God, by which Jesus’s death in the cross can pay the outstanding debt owed from your life that you yourself cannot pay.

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        7 hours ago

        This is an extreme oversimplification, and a literal interpretation of obviously symbolic and allegorical texts.

        Just like ‘giants’ doesn’t refer to literal giant people, ‘relationship with God’ can mean several dozen different things, depending on the context.

        Allegories and symbols are very common in religious texts. To treat them literally misses the point.

        These texts also tend to repeat the same points multiple times, or overwrite them altogether (countless occurrences in the Bible), with broader context in entirely different sections of the texts, if at all present.

        Annotations usually help with this, but it depends on the translation and version of the Bible you’re reading.

        Keep in mind I’m by no means advocating for or defending Christianity or any other religion. This is purely about theology, as well as reading and understanding religious texts. It’s a fairly complex topic, regardless of if you’re religious or not.