cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/53084848
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/53084670
Today Doug Ford will attack Toronto’s autonomy, and choice for safe streets. As well as our right to choose how we get around our city, and to do so without getting hurt or risking our own safety.
Get ready Ford. There are FAR more cyclists now compared to 2012.
Oct 13. Tom Riley Park Parking Lot. 5pm-late. Bring food, water and layers.
Be prepared to arrive earlier in case crews try to do a sneak attack removing protect lanes and infrastructure.
This fight is more than just about bike lanes.
It’s about demanding municipal governments be respected, and fighting an authoritarian who believes he can do anything against a city’s own wishes.
This is your Dutch moment Toronto!
Show up to show your support!
Cyclists are still, as far as I know, entitled to take the full car lane.
It’d be really unfortunate if, now that there’s no separated infrastructure, a constant parade of casual cyclists had to get down that road somehow using the car lanes… say for an entire day in shifts…
This doesn’t play the way you think. A cyclist weighs at best 100 kg, against 2500 kg of combustion vehicles.
You may be in the right, but you are against entitled criminals at the wheel.
Dumb question maybe, but on which pretense can the province force the city of Toronto ? I know laws can be voted, but surely you can’t come up with a law that says “No bike lanes in Toronto”…?
Canada has a strange system where the province has total supremacy over city decisions. In my opinion it’s a very backwards way to do but I don’t live there so…
Lemmy, where pointing out something you diagree with gets you deleted by the mods
You are entitled to disagree. You are not entitled to lie.
I am a daily commuter cyclist and I do believe you are overreaching. The user to whom you replied, should be allowed to lie. Their lies should be countered with arguments, not censorship. Besides, lying is not against the rules of this community.
Absolutely!
And just because you disagree with someone, it doesn’t make them a liar.
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It’s not mostly «rich white men» who cycle. In fact, if it was, then the «rich white man» mayor would think twice before removing the bike lanes.
Clearly coming from someone who has never once paid attention to the people who cycle. Cycling infrastructure is essential for the poor who don’t own cars.
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How is pointing out that people who don’t own cars need ways to get around a strawman? It directly undermines the point you were making.
Most urban cyclists are not rich white men. The Lycra crowd usually sticks to recreational trails or more rural or suburban roads.
Edit: just to add some data here.
A better way to look at the distribution is to consider the median income of bike commuters, relative to other commuters. The median bike commuter had a household income of about $72,000 according to this data series, meaning about half of all bike commuters have household incomes less than that amount and half have more. To put than in context, the median car commuter had a household income of about $82,000. So, on average, bike commuters live in lower income households than car commuters. For reference, the median bus commuter lived in a household with an income of about $62,000.
TLDR it’s actually car commuters that are the wealthier demographic. So if your concern for the poor was genuine, you would support more bike lanes. But somehow I doubt you will change your tune…
Let’s also remove trains while we’re at it, maybe even buses
If they are empty al the time, sure
