• jedibob5@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Never been a fan of the “we shouldn’t make the smaller, easier improvements because we need to do the bigger, harder things instead” argument…

      Yes, we need more and better public transit, but that is going to take a whole lot of time, money, and effort to work towards. Yes, it’s worthwhile, and we shouldn’t STOP working towards it because of this, but I don’t think that’s a reason to balk at a smaller, easier incremental change that encourages safer driving while also simply being more efficient.

      • MangoCats@feddit.it
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        17 hours ago

        More efficient is more cars per hour. When cars move faster, you can get more cars per hour through those intersections when the lights are green.

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          14 hours ago

          Nothing that involves the phrase “more cars” is more efficient. Cars are massively inefficient monuments to toxic individualism and ecocidal narcissism.

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            14 hours ago

            More cars per hour is less cars stuck in traffic on the roads… the number of cars is a given, getting them off the road ASAP is the goal.

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              12 hours ago

              the number of cars is a given,

              No the number of cars is a policy choice.

              Nobody is forcing cities and counties to only build for the carbrained, they do that on their own. If they’d make driving less convenient and transit more convenient, the number of cars would decrease significantly.

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                5 hours ago

                If they’d make driving less convenient and transit more convenient, the number of cars would decrease significantly.

                Of course you’re talking about billions of dollars in construction projects, is it you in the construction industry, or a family member? It took 100 years of infrastructure build to get here, it’s going to take quite a few to change course.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      For public transportation in the US you need medium density living. So you’re talking about getting everyone on board and uprooting everyone as you upgrade cities or build new cities for that.

      “Anything except making incremental improvements that are practical instead of doing nothing because the preferred goal is impossible, at least practically impossible” - not as catchy, I admit :P

    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 day ago

      Do you want traffic lights to only turn every 5-10 minutes? Lights were always going to be changing more than transit was arriving, if altering how it changes slows speeding drivers why wouldn’t you want that?

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        I don’t want traffic lights. If you design your cities properly (with no personal cars) traffic lights are not needed at all. Outside cities traffic lights don’t make sense anyways, intersections there are better off as roundabouts.

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          1 day ago

          Sounds great, but I don’t live there and do have to deal with drivers and traffic lights, and I would like to implement whatever measures will slow them down. If the first and easiest is altering traffic light patterns, cool, do it. I’m supposed to not want this?

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            1 day ago

            It depends on whether this is about retiming existing lights (which is relatively cheap) or building new ones. Retiming existing lights is fine, building new ones just shows that engineers don’t care about the problem and would rather waste millions of $ on a non-solution.

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              1 day ago

              I don’t see anything in the article about building more lights, just altering the timing so that the default light state is red instead of green.