Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk
Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.
While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls showed, putting the far right within reach of power at the state level for the first time since the second world war.
Now watch as “liberals” continue to do nothing to stop the fascist propaganda machines causing the spread of the mental illness, because they are bankrolled by the fascists in the corporate economic elite.
They’ll also continue sowing the seeds of fascism by colluding with the elite to extract wealth from the population. Buckle up. All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
The Weimar Republic did the same god damn thing.
Can you explain what you mean by liberals in this case?
It’s an overloaded term that means very different things when used by different people in different contexts
Lot of you loser have been chomping at the bit to point the finger back at other, Germany had one state flip not the nation as a whole, and not the eu as a whole either, no in any way the same as americas failure at all.
Well haha from the perspective of someone you’d call “tankie” this is hilarious. Like the call is coming from inside the house. The liberals or “leftists” very much engage in this reality denying or mental illness you complain about.
Because how is doing a coup in Ukraine to empower neonazis massacre their own protestors, oust the president and then provoke a proxy war with violence not fascism in foreign policy? Doing THAT to another country? How are the parties in Europe supporting this and lying about this not fascist as well? How are they not fascist for supporting a genocide in Gaza? But all you hear now is Russia Russia Russia Russia.
The people voting for the AfD can very much see through this specific type of insanity. They are immune to this type of “idealism” opposed to realist foreign policy. They understand Nato is not “nice” or idealistic and that Russia doesn’t want them on their doorstep. They look at the “leftists” and wonder how they got more radical than themselves, supporting nazis and whatnot lol. Obviously the AfD politicians are just neoliberal opportunist fascist scumbags and the voters are sadly not immune to that type of insanity. But it’s the deliberate destruction and degeneration of the western “liberal” democracies that is driving all this:
Costs for energy, fertilizer have risen, truth and liberty have all gone down the shitter in Europe because of this war. Understanding the enemy is treason and diplomacy is criminalized. What did you think came next? Seriously you’re going to complain about the fascists after the liberal/leftist imperialists lit Europe on fire and let it burn?
Anyway the rise of fascism, LePenn and Ukip is now inevitable and Europe will break apart. Because the conditions are now as they are. Of course climate change made it inevitable already but this will seriously accelerate the downfall.
Don’t blame the poorly educated. Blessed are the poor in spirit.
If you want to stop or delay Europe’s downfall and slide into fascism, all you have to do is push for an immediate peace deal with Ukraine, normalize relations with Russia to get energy flowing again, sanction the US and Israel so they leave Iran alone. Prosperity returns, economic outlook improves and everybody is happy again. Easy peasy lol.
Do you want to know what is really going on? Good luck! Look at all this insanity and the attempts by smart people to make sense of it:
Man arrested over Nord Stream bombing was consultant on film about it starring Sean Penn | Nord Stream 1 pipeline | The Guardian (Ok lol this one is just for fun)
Secret Plan to Destroy BRICS and Crash China w/ Ryan Perkins (Hypothesis to explain Iran and Venezuela and Trump’s behavior not as incompetence but deliberate crashing and something of a cash grab) (Written article on this by Ryan Perkins)
US War on Multipolarism: Turning the Gameboard Over (Hypothesis 2, Trump hacks at the roots of the global economy to reset to uni polarism, and US empire catches the game pieces as it all crashes)
The Political Economy of Pax Silica (Analysis of the current “mask off” USA trying to reassert itself as the core of an empire alternative to China)
“The Nerd Reich”: Author Gil Durán on Big Tech Fascism, Peter Thiel, JD Vance & the War on Democracy | Democracy Now! (EDIT: And these technofascists own the social media that is allowed unmoderated hate speech to poison people and drives fascism together with the economic downturn)
Channel of Prof. Glenn Diesen who interviews various serious people about Ukraine, Iran and China. That’s a lot of highly respected “cranks” all scratching their heads at Europe’s Russia psychosis. Neutrality Studies is good too in interviewing sane people.
Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War still is the best source to explain how the Ukraine proxy war was engineered under Obama (and Bush before and Biden after him, but really the US “deep state”). Also see Global Delinquents. Or have you ever heard of the Tragedy of Darth Georgescu the Wise?
This isn’t conspiracy theory. Nothing hypothetical about it because they are openly admitting to it. Is it mental illness? Very much so. Continuing to blame Russia and “Putler” for everything and then complaining about rising fascism just doesn’t cut it as a strategy any more. Start reading and accept reality as it is, and you’ll understand why the fascists are winning.
As usual, the conservatives are given a pass and then liberals assigned all the blame.
This place is absolute fucking joke.
There may be a gap here in the definition of “liberal”. Liberalism is a political philosophy that also encompasses most traditional conservatives. It is different from the colloquial usage. It’s loosely defined as the belief in individual freedoms, including the right to private property. It is inherently capitalist and therefore socialists, communists and anarchists generally do not consider them to be of the left.
…uhhh a socialist and a communist are the exact same thing…
Youre right about everything elsee though.
Often conflated but Marx and Engels themselves draw a distinction between socialism and communism. They consider socialism a stepping stone to communism.
…umm ya. Socialism was created by Marx because he knew that humans, as stupid , genocidal , and self destructive as we are, would have difficulty embracing as good of an idea as comkunism so he proposed that socialism is a ‘transitory thing’ or transitory phase that leads to a communistic sociaety because as we have seen a trillion times whenone society embraces socialism anither capitalistic society will genocide the people there or even force the people embracing socialism to change their minf
We saw this in Korea at the hands of the canadians and americans, We saw this in Indonesia at the hands of the amedicans again. We saw this in Vietnam at thr hands of the french , then the japanese , then the americans. We saw this with the Congolese a tthe hands of the belgians and americans . And even in CHile at the hands of the americans
We have seen this exact scenario play out snd we will continue time and time again to see this scenario play out…
Socialist ideas predate Marx. Look up Robert Owen for example. Engels talks about earlier socialist philosophies in “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific”. It’s not a very long book and it’s an interesting read. I think it’s an extract from a longer work.
If ANY person calls themselves a socialist or ‘communist’ and hasnt read this yet ? They belong in a psych ward in my opinion. The only type of socialism that can possibly exist is scientific socialism.
. The collective scientific material conditions and scientific psychological conditions of the average persons should be what spurs the majority of the people into a deathly amalgamation into lethal force and lethal action to create a socialistic society or a socialistic world that eternally executes the bourgeoisies . And also I beleive that itlf the people , through their collective experience, want to create a deathly amalgamation to create a lethal force that creates a world thst leads to self-destructive nuclear holocaust ? So be it. I wouldnt support the second scenario but I would also be powerless to stop it. Who are we to to stpp the majority of people once theyve set their mind to something? You as one random person or as one random intellectual or as one random billionaire cannot slam down your ideas onto the people and make them follow cause youre just one weak insignifisct person and they outnumber you . It is up to the people to rise up collectively in their million and even billions to come together to get something that they want from the groups that they outnumber.
“Always remember , the sheep outnumber the worlves. Always have and always will.” (Idont remember ewho said this quote but they coooooked)
Thats basically the gist I got from that article
So thats why I believe (and Im fucking right) thst most people today are VERY okay with the world we live in today. Because if most people were not okay with the world thst we have today, why have most of the people in most countries not amalgamated into a lethal , destructive, heavily-disruptive force that stops the economy and changes the world so that our demands change from our policymakers ans billionaires ? We The People, We The Workers outnumber billionaires po liticians, army officials, police officers and sepcial ops operatives in the thousands and thousands. We could EAAAASILY win ANY war against them… but people arent doing that…so that must mean thst most people are OK with the current genocidal and crapitalistic world we live in today lol. Nobody has ever been able to refute me when I bring this point up. And nobody shall ever be able to refute this.
People ALWAYS talk talk talk about ‘oH PolItiCiaNs SucK’ ‘oh bIllIoNAIreS aND OlIgArChS SucK’ ‘WeNeEd To ChAnGe OuR cuRrEnT aDopTiOnS aNd foSteR cArE sYsTeMs sO cHilDreN aRe SafEr’ ‘We gOtTa cHanGe ThInGs CaUse OuR jUstIcrE SysTeMs sUcKs!1!1!1’ . If you go to the comments sections of ANY trrue crime video on youtube youll A.L.W.A.Y.S. see comments like these … but then these same people never DO anything to ensure that this ‘change’ is brought about… hmmm …funny thing that lol
"Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fck Hope. Because if it is really just the fault of the politicians then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country. Everybody’s at the mall, scratchin’ his ass, pickin’ his nose, takin’ his credit card out of his fanny pack and buyin’ a pair of sneakers with lights in them. So, I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way. On Election Day, I stay home. I don’t vote. Fck ’em! Fck ’em! I don’t vote. Two reasons. Two reasons I don’t vote. First of all, it’s meaningless. This country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago. This shit they shuffle around every four years? Pfft! Pfft! It doesn’t mean a fcking thing. And secondly, I don’t vote because I believe if you vote you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around, I know. They say, ‘Well, if you don’t vote you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, well, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem. You voted them in. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand…who did not vote…who did not vote…who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. So, I know that a little later on this year you’re gunna have another one of those really swell presidential elections that you like so much [Bill Clinton v. Bob Dole]. You enjoy yourselves; it’ll be a lot of fun. I’m sure as soon as the election is over your country will improve immediately. As for me, I’ll be home on that day, doing essentially the same thing as you. The only difference is, when I get finished jerking it, I’m gunna have a little something to show for it, folks.” – George Carlin
If youve been voting in assholes agains and again and again amd again for centuries and centuries then …maybe voting is useless and you need to resort to more ‘direct’ forms of interventions when you want to see things change in your community …
If you split yourself off the “left in the widest sense” you have 5 percent of the votes and you are essentially meaningless. Stuck to your values but meaningless.
The left does not need more splitting while the right manages to rally behind one or two people.
As I say, liberals believe in capitalism by definition. The impact of your vote once every few years in an election under this system pales in comparison to the influence that the owner class have due to their wealth and power. This is fundamental. This is why you get all the anti-liberal sentiment from anti-capitalists.
Furthermore you talk about convincing some percentage of voters in order to change the system. The early turnout figure for this election is 54% and that’s considered high… What of the non voters?
because liberals are the prime reason of fascists rise in power. They pretend to be good while oiling the fascist machine
“There has never been and will ever be anything int he Western Hemisphere more dangerous than a White liberal” - Malcolm X
He would have been more correct if he talked of EVERY liberal.
You can stop worrying about nuclear weapons as the most destructive thing on the planet today , because we ALL know itll be the moderates snd liberals who will be pressing the very buttons to launch all the nuikes lol.
When the home team who is on defense just allows goal after goal with no defense, and scoring no goals of their own… that’s a bad team and deserves criticism if they’re the bulwark defenders who are supposed to oppose fascism. Fascists are winning and that is the fault of liberals for a lack of opposition.
Exactly.
If I hire a body guard and theyve allowed me to get shot 69 times over the last 20 years and they NEVER change their tactics or our tactics to keep me and them safe… what do you think Im eventually gonna think about them? …
Liberals are fascist collaborators and work on behalf of the elites. The sooner liberals are gone the faster we can fix these issues. Conservatives are just plain evil.
Good luck getting more than 5 percent of the votes. 👍 We’ll talk then
You must not be from the US then. It’s already happening here. Many progressive candidates are either beating the liberals or nearly beating them. I expect that to keep happening too. I was a lifelong liberal voter and even voted for Kamala in '24, but I won’t make that mistake again. Liberals do not have the best interests of the working class in mind and they’ve made that crystal clear. Hell, they don’t even have the best interests of human life in mind.
"Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fck Hope. Because if it is really just the fault of the politicians then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country. Everybody’s at the mall, scratchin’ his ass, pickin’ his nose, takin’ his credit card out of his fanny pack and buyin’ a pair of sneakers with lights in them. So, I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way. On Election Day, I stay home. I don’t vote. Fck ’em! Fck ’em! I don’t vote. Two reasons. Two reasons I don’t vote. First of all, it’s meaningless. This country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago. This shit they shuffle around every four years? Pfft! Pfft! It doesn’t mean a fcking thing. And secondly, I don’t vote because I believe if you vote you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around, I know. They say, ‘Well, if you don’t vote you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, well, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem. You voted them in. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand…who did not vote…who did not vote…who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. So, I know that a little later on this year you’re gunna have another one of those really swell presidential elections that you like so much [Bill Clinton v. Bob Dole]. You enjoy yourselves; it’ll be a lot of fun. I’m sure as soon as the election is over your country will improve immediately. As for me, I’ll be home on that day, doing essentially the same thing as you. The only difference is, when I get finished jerking it, I’m gunna have a little something to show for it, folks.” – George Carlin
If youve been voting in assholes agains and again and again amd again for decades and decades and decades… then …maybe voting is useless and you need to resort to more ‘direct’ forms of interventions when you want to see things change in your community …
But either the Democrats need to be taken over completely, MAGA style or lose so much that another party takes their spot in the two party system. Which is difficult.
These monolithic blocks exist because they are not constantly under attack in that system.
As liberals and conservatives make life worse for the working class they’ll start to realize both of those options are bad. Unfortunately many will have to suffer before they come to that conclusion.
That’s the point, that a lot would have to happen
It’s their go to.
Like yeah, milquetoast policies ultimately lead us here but they have more fury for the people doing moderately OK but ultimately unsatisfactory things than the people actually going hog wild, robbing everyone blind, instituting fascism, etc.
It’s the “christians” or the Zentrum Party back then. We don’t have “liberals”.
The center right betrayed the German people back then and right now. Learn the history before writing BS.
No, not as much as the role of the national liberal DNVP (which Hindenburg was effectively a part of, too) and partially the Social Democrats collaborating with the Nazis to kill the communist party. It was the liberals.
This comment is so ignorant about the reality it hurts.
There are many actual legal actions taken against AfD and AfD members already, including a period of time where AfD was not allowed to receive briefings regarding national security, something that is a right for all members of the Bundestag.
Personally I’m sad they didn’t get a majority, because that’s probably the best cure, people need to see how damaging their policies are, and how stupid they really are. AfD is a protest party, people vote for because they are unhappy with the current situation. Caused by Covid, Ukraine War, Russian energy sanctions against EU before the Ukraine war that was very damaging to German industries, and now Eu sanctions against Russia that have similar effect. Followed by the damage on energy supplies like wood pellets from the Ukraine war, and on top of all that Trumps ridiculous tariffs and the effects of the Iran war.
This is at the same time we have increased competition from China.
Europe has been in a perfect storm for nearly a decade now caused by outside forces. Except of course Brexit can be argued to not be outside when that happened. And although Brexit was far worse for UK, it was also damaging to EU.
AfD is by far the strongest in the old Communist Eastern Germany, because despite massive support from the old Western Germany they feel cheated, and some accuse the politicians of privatizing only to the advantage of West Germany. They simply refuse to realize how far behind they were economically at the time.
On top of all the above Putin has made a massive effort of misinformation in Germany, to promote the extreme right, and dissatisfaction. Despite we are actually doing pretty well in EU considering the circumstances this past decade.
Lmao
Be careful what you wish for. That’s the attitude America had that earned us another run of the Orange pedo.
It was also the attitude of Weimar Germany towards the Nazi party.
No it’s not, Trump was a proven malignant narcissist. AfD is not a person, but a political party, as soon as such people have to agree on things to make real policies, they tend to crumble.
The US situation is very very different, and is based in a society that has become more sociopathic over many decades. The role has as President of USA has no equal in Germany, nobody is granted that much power in Germany. Trump with his extreme narcissism would be very unlikely to be able to function in German politics.
You just earned yourself a “NeolibSimp” label.
Then you are absolutely reading my comment wrong.
By your own standard you should have a degrading label too.
Legal actions are the anti-solution. Making people feel that they don’t need the afd because other parties are meeting their needs is the real solution.