A new Stanford study found older adults can face heat beyond their bodies’ ability to cope at far lower temperatures than younger people as the planet warms
It’s like exercising; if you don’t use it you lose it and once you’re too old, you can’t get it back. But, if you keep it up you can carry it into an ancient age. I knew very old people who could still touch their toes, lift heavy loads, and lay out in the absolutely baking sun.
I’m well past middle age and so far I can still do strenuous exercise outside at 103. I can physically feel that it is hot, but things still work. Use it or lose it. If you are under 40, I’d really suggest working out your heat-coping body systems, double so if you’re under 30.
Read up on heat stroke, listen to your body and treat your body as intently as if you are lifting heavy weights. You can hurt yourself under both conditions, but if you listen and you build and you strengthen, you can have a body that is a treat to live in.
There is a period in early middle age where estrogen dominant individuals are more susceptible to heat stress than similarly aged people who are testosterone dominant. This changes exactly none of my advice though.
Just because two people have different maximums doesn’t mean the one with a lower maximum can’t participate. Or is it your point of view that anyone incapable of squatting 2k shouldn’t exercise?
Your incredibly spurious attempt at a rhetorical device aside: this does not occur “for a period in early middle age”. Post menopausal AFABs will have higher risk of heat stroke than their AMAB peers for the rest of their lives. There are literal papers on this
So no, it’s not just a matter of “build up tolerance”. That is actively dangerous advice
only goes to show correlation and doesn’t even purport to say anything about causation
openly admits they did not directly compare men and women
does not say anything about assigned gender at birth being a factor, merely reported gender
Also says literally word for word what I just said about heat stress and middle age. You linked a study reinforcing my reply to you.
There is nothing wrong with going into the heat often, and in a safe way. Some people have different maximums than others. This is too be expected in literally anything a human can do.
You can stay inside if you want. It’s just weird to pretend that you can’t “because of science”, and I’m not going to help you with this justification by pretending it is valid.
yeah when you’re done with your weird little fantasies of what I must be like…
I’m an Australian, in Australia, and I’ve literally grown up doing strenous work in 40+ heat. I still do. But since menopause kicked in, my heat tolerance has absolutely shat the bed. This isn’t a “tolerance” thing, this is basic biology.
Your fussy ass literally opened the conversation assuming shit about me. It was your first sentence. Get off your pissy horse.
You’re consistently arguing against this thing that hurt you, not my statements. You can’t do heat. Sorry I assumed you never did, but that doesn’t change your motivations.
I never said that everyone can hit a certain heat level. I never said that menopause doesn’t effect heat tolerance. I never said everyone should try to hit 40c. I never said anything about gender or genitals or reproductive organs or whatever else you want to talk about.
I made a simple, true statement.
I said heat tolerance is like exercise.
You can’t get out and do it like you used to. You have my condolences. That doesn’t refute what I’m saying. That doesn’t even go against what I’m saying in any way.
You can’t exercise like you used to either, even in AC. That doesn’t mean you should stop exercising.
But if you stay inside for 10 years, you’ll be able to tolerate heat even less than today. If you don’t exercise for 10 years, you will be able to do less than today too.
That’s just facts, and it has nothing to do with what you’re on about. You’re just mad because you can’t do 41c anymore and so you’re pretending like I’m telling everyone to go out and do 41c.
Get on hormones, or live with your new maximum. No one, regardless of anything, is going to “build up more tolerance” if they’re already outside all the time, and I never said they would.
I’m normally quite good at listening to my body’s signs, but I can’t deal with heat at all. I don’t know if it comes on too quickly for me to adjust or if I’m just not built for it (all of my ancestors came from a cold, wet rock).
When I try to build up my heat tolerance, I run into a delayed onset of symptoms, which makes it hard not to overdo it. I’ll feel mostly fine until I go to eat my next meal, then I have zero appetite (which can last for hours to days, so I can’t just fast). I try eating melons, cucumbers, citrus, and drinking a lot of water, which appears to work for preventing dehydration, but it doesn’t work to provoke hunger. If I force something more substantial down anyway, I puke. If I just eat what I can when I can (I eat mostly at night in the summer), I lose too much weight.
Can you explain what signs exactly you look for that tell you you need to take a break/slow down?
Group genetics certainly play a factor. Looking at other places group genetics play a major role though, it doesn’t seem to be more limiting than fractions of a percentage point at the top of the best performers. Personal genetics plays a bigger factor.
Epigenetics certainly plays a much bigger factor. The most important pieces of information being what your parents were exposed to and what you were exposed to at a young age. Both fundamentally change the way your genetics are expressed.
You might just be an outlier too. This can happen no matter where or who you are.
It’s going to be very hard to acclimate yourself to heat if you can’t feel or sense when you are reaching your limit. Do you have trouble sensing when you are thirsty or hungry?
Like, will you think “I’m a little thirsty” but then when you get the water to your lips your body takes over and you ravenously gulp down the whole thing? Do you get tired or angry because you are hungry, without feeling hunger pains?
Do you sweat excessively or too little compared to others?
It’s like exercising; if you don’t use it you lose it and once you’re too old, you can’t get it back. But, if you keep it up you can carry it into an ancient age. I knew very old people who could still touch their toes, lift heavy loads, and lay out in the absolutely baking sun.
I’m well past middle age and so far I can still do strenuous exercise outside at 103. I can physically feel that it is hot, but things still work. Use it or lose it. If you are under 40, I’d really suggest working out your heat-coping body systems, double so if you’re under 30.
Read up on heat stroke, listen to your body and treat your body as intently as if you are lifting heavy weights. You can hurt yourself under both conditions, but if you listen and you build and you strengthen, you can have a body that is a treat to live in.
103 is very far past middle age.
You’re an AMAB, aren’t you?
Guess what hormone regulates temperature and guess what menopause does to it
There is a period in early middle age where estrogen dominant individuals are more susceptible to heat stress than similarly aged people who are testosterone dominant. This changes exactly none of my advice though.
Just because two people have different maximums doesn’t mean the one with a lower maximum can’t participate. Or is it your point of view that anyone incapable of squatting 2k shouldn’t exercise?
Rather than argue over building tolerance and strategems, we could simply not barbecue the planet?
Because I don’t have their ear? Do you think those billionaires are here? I mean, it’s worth a shot.
Hey people who own the corps running everything, billionaires, and politicians, please stop destroying the planet.
Your incredibly spurious attempt at a rhetorical device aside: this does not occur “for a period in early middle age”. Post menopausal AFABs will have higher risk of heat stroke than their AMAB peers for the rest of their lives. There are literal papers on this
So no, it’s not just a matter of “build up tolerance”. That is actively dangerous advice
Your “meta analysis” which:
Also says literally word for word what I just said about heat stress and middle age. You linked a study reinforcing my reply to you.
There is nothing wrong with going into the heat often, and in a safe way. Some people have different maximums than others. This is too be expected in literally anything a human can do.
You can stay inside if you want. It’s just weird to pretend that you can’t “because of science”, and I’m not going to help you with this justification by pretending it is valid.
yeah when you’re done with your weird little fantasies of what I must be like…
I’m an Australian, in Australia, and I’ve literally grown up doing strenous work in 40+ heat. I still do. But since menopause kicked in, my heat tolerance has absolutely shat the bed. This isn’t a “tolerance” thing, this is basic biology.
Your fussy ass literally opened the conversation assuming shit about me. It was your first sentence. Get off your pissy horse.
You’re consistently arguing against this thing that hurt you, not my statements. You can’t do heat. Sorry I assumed you never did, but that doesn’t change your motivations.
I never said that everyone can hit a certain heat level. I never said that menopause doesn’t effect heat tolerance. I never said everyone should try to hit 40c. I never said anything about gender or genitals or reproductive organs or whatever else you want to talk about.
I made a simple, true statement.
I said heat tolerance is like exercise.
You can’t get out and do it like you used to. You have my condolences. That doesn’t refute what I’m saying. That doesn’t even go against what I’m saying in any way.
You can’t exercise like you used to either, even in AC. That doesn’t mean you should stop exercising.
But if you stay inside for 10 years, you’ll be able to tolerate heat even less than today. If you don’t exercise for 10 years, you will be able to do less than today too.
That’s just facts, and it has nothing to do with what you’re on about. You’re just mad because you can’t do 41c anymore and so you’re pretending like I’m telling everyone to go out and do 41c.
Get on hormones, or live with your new maximum. No one, regardless of anything, is going to “build up more tolerance” if they’re already outside all the time, and I never said they would.
ya made a ridiculous comment that got pointed out as ridiculous and threw a verbose fit over being challenged. Get over it.
Good job getting me to waste breath on your troll. I hope it brought you joy.
I’m normally quite good at listening to my body’s signs, but I can’t deal with heat at all. I don’t know if it comes on too quickly for me to adjust or if I’m just not built for it (all of my ancestors came from a cold, wet rock).
When I try to build up my heat tolerance, I run into a delayed onset of symptoms, which makes it hard not to overdo it. I’ll feel mostly fine until I go to eat my next meal, then I have zero appetite (which can last for hours to days, so I can’t just fast). I try eating melons, cucumbers, citrus, and drinking a lot of water, which appears to work for preventing dehydration, but it doesn’t work to provoke hunger. If I force something more substantial down anyway, I puke. If I just eat what I can when I can (I eat mostly at night in the summer), I lose too much weight.
Can you explain what signs exactly you look for that tell you you need to take a break/slow down?
Group genetics certainly play a factor. Looking at other places group genetics play a major role though, it doesn’t seem to be more limiting than fractions of a percentage point at the top of the best performers. Personal genetics plays a bigger factor.
Epigenetics certainly plays a much bigger factor. The most important pieces of information being what your parents were exposed to and what you were exposed to at a young age. Both fundamentally change the way your genetics are expressed.
You might just be an outlier too. This can happen no matter where or who you are.
It’s going to be very hard to acclimate yourself to heat if you can’t feel or sense when you are reaching your limit. Do you have trouble sensing when you are thirsty or hungry?
Like, will you think “I’m a little thirsty” but then when you get the water to your lips your body takes over and you ravenously gulp down the whole thing? Do you get tired or angry because you are hungry, without feeling hunger pains?
Do you sweat excessively or too little compared to others?