• cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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    13 days ago

    Maybe all the immigrants finally started to recognize the lies they were being told about living here being a comfortable family dream when it’s actually unaffordable, inhumane and degrading wage-slavery. It’s not much better for the average Canadian either, but at least most of us have some kind of family support system to fall back on, and we have the entire time we spend growing up here to come to terms with the reality of the lies that the economy and media sell us, instead of getting thrown into the deep end of this unfair economy like the immigrants do. No wonder so many of them turn to crime.

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      12 days ago

      It sure sounds like you have never lived anywhere else in your life, certainly not anywhere in the developing world. It’s hard to conceive how much worse life is in a lot of places, unless you have lived there. Granted that people who can afford international student fees are in the upper class of most poor countries, but it doesn’t take away from the very real increase in the standard of living.

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      13 days ago

      No wonder so many of them turn to crime.

      I agreed with you until this point. What percentage of them “turn to crime”? Is that percentage higher than non-immigrants? My guess is that it’s a negligible fraction.

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    13 days ago

    The problem is the people leaving are the highly talented and valuable people economically speaking. The people that are staying are the low income low skill people who do not substantially increase our GDP per capita and in fact lower it

    This is going to be more and more of a problem.

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      12 days ago

      Low income low skill people are still a net gain to society because they provide the secret ingredient that makes our economy function and grow: Demand. If their income is not enough to stimulate demand, that is because the minimum wage is too low.

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        12 days ago

        Market economies are not built on demand. If all you have is demand then you have a failed economy because you will have runaway inflation the vast majority won’t be able to afford the things they need

        Which is precisely what’s happening in Canada. The housing market has exploded because there’s demand but not a sufficient supply. The strain on the medical systems is similar, demand increase faster than supply

        Essentially you got it backwards. The magic in a market economy is the supply, and it is the nature of section economy that supply will appear to try and fill in demand. Loweskilled glow paid workers artificially ruin that dynamic and demand winds up outpacing supply with disastrous results

        And their wages are too low because they’re not worth anything. The system operates on the concept of being paid a dollar for the creation of a dollar’s worth of value. To create higher value you need to have skills and abilities or assets which allow for that and that is exactly what is leaving Canada

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          12 days ago

          Yes, market economies are built on demand. Neoclassical, supply side economics is a joke that centralizes wealth and destabilizes societies. It’s a failure.

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            12 days ago

            No they are not. And as the reality of the situation proves that I’m right and you are wrong. So there you go

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              12 days ago

              Yes they are, and the last 40 years of ever increasing wealth inequality totally discredits your economic philosophy. So there you go. Milton Friedman was a dumbass, make your peace with that fact.

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                12 days ago

                The last 40 years proves I’m right even more 😆😆😆

                Sorry kid. Try reading a book instead of getting her education from Facebook. Demand exist in every economic model, capitalism addresses the supply sideit is that effort that makes things work. The ability to create products and services including ones that didn’t even exist before which creates new demand is what drives us. Demand is not what drives us immigrants don’t produce the supply necessary to meet the demand and that creates inflation and weakens the economy

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                  12 days ago

                  The last 40 years proves I’m right even more 😆😆😆

                  If you think extreme wealth inequality, stagnating wages, decreasing purchasing power for the average person, and the rise of reactionary politics is success. If, on the other hand, you are a reasonable person, you would think that’s a really pathetic failure. Kid.

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        12 days ago

        You could but not successfully 😁 Joking aside though there have been other instances of brain drains taking place in the past. I think to suggest that there’s been a consistent brain drain for that. Of time would be severely erroneous and there are definitely been times when we attracted people to Canada. But this is definitely one of the worst and we are seeing people leave for the record percent of them being exactly the kind of people we want to stay

        And it shows up in a lot of stats. Our GDP per capita is horrible and that’s one of the reasons, our investments climate is cored, etc etc. We have to find a way to reverse that and quickly