To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war, complete with reparations from the US.
I’m sure Israel will blow this deal up though.
The US simply has to restrict weapons and money to Israel. Bush senior did it and froze a 10 billions loan
Iran won the war when they dint bend like venezuela did in the first hours of this nonsensical operation. There is nothing the USA can win out of this confict, they are just losing power everywhere…
Yeah, does anyone think Iran will stop suffering?
No, the people of Iran are between a rock and a hard place.
But I think people can maintain a cause in defence of themselves longer than the US can maintain their offensive.
The US just hit critically low oil levels where it’s impossible to continue depleting them. They’ve reached low enough levels using pipelines are threatened by being able to maintain pressure.
The US now has to decide if they want to lose internal oil transport and shut down infrastructure. All right before midterms.
To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war
The war is won by either side only when Iran inflicts a permanent defeat on its enemies, or it ceases to be a functional state. Any deal in between, if it even goes through, will only postpone the resumption of the war, as it has been for what, about the last 45 years.
I would guess Iran is holding out to cripple the Israelis. The fact the Zios aren’t just taking what they’ve won and going home until next time is evidence they’re jot just evil, they’re all fucking insane. Letting this go on once the conquest of Lebanon slows down is so fucking stupid.
I think you can make a lot of legitimate critiques of the Israeli state, but suggesting g they can’t be trusted to hold to a treaty? No. That’s just totally baseless antisemitism.
Baseless, really? Israel have shown themselves to be a bunch of perfidious schmucks since the inception of their state 70 years ago. They can’t be trusted to hold even a ceasefire with Palestine/Lebanon/Iran and have repeatedly attacked during negotiations.
Your cry of antisemitism has worn out at this stage through ridiculous overuse and hyperbole. The only thing Israel has shown lately is that they have no honour or morality.
Tanking any ceasefire is literally in Israel’s best interest. Their goal is the elimination of Iran as a regional power. They don’t want to help Trump get out of this war, they want him to fully commit to it. American boots on the ground is the best possible outcome for them.
Oh so we should just base our judgement of Israel on the thing they have done literally every single time for their entire existence and ‘the protocols of the elders of zion’? But you’re not an antisemite? Fucking troll.
This has to be sarcasm of the deepest kind.
American here. I haven’t heard the claims, but they’re likely true if Trump is upset.
Did you guys know he raped kids?
Yeah, there’s these things called the Epstein files. They’re pretty shocking, but his followers care more about what’s in all our fucking pants. Just like him, they’re also perverts. They want to see our genetalia before we enter bathrooms. Sick fucks.
Did you guys know he raped kids?
I heard some of those raped kids ended up dead. Some beaten. All raped. https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qtyb43/epstein_and_maxwell_buried_2_girls_strangled_to/
Court testimony was that some of them ended up beaten due to trump not liking them during sex. One bit him so he pulled her hair and punched her in the face. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/doj-releases-epstein-files-containing-sexual-assault-allegations-against-trump
2 died from “rough sex” by testimony of one worker at zoro ranch. Dug up graves were found when they looked for bodies.
Also, there were hundreds of rape victims, and about 22 have died publicly since the story broke. And trump still walks free.
they just want to make sure their victims don’t have more balls than they do.
According to leaks to Iranian media the draft includes a reconstruction which will result in Tehran receiving $300 billion to rebuild its cities. Also included will be the release of $24 billion in blocked Iranian funds, half of which must be paid to Iran before fresh talks start.
Damn, that’s an Israeli level supply of foreign aid.
Art of the deal
For a monday
So this technically means that Iran won, right?
Who knows. The usa is not trustworthy
No, its not victory, its just them getting whatever they want and us giving it to them in order to make the killing stop.
Trump doesn’t give a shit about the killing, what he want is for the oil prices to go down again.
But he can only achieve that by accepting that he lost, and that’s the part he doesn’t like.
For Trump it’s always about winning, he can’t stand to look like a loser. If he can make it look like a win, and get the oil prices down, then he will accept a deal. But it’s very hard to see what such a deal could be?The killing isn’t going well for him, makes him look weak. He cares. Oil prices aren’t coming down before the election. One of the first things Iran’s current regime on the world stage did was ratfuck a US president by pulling some shit like this. They are aware.
If the leaked details are remotely accurate (they’re consistent with previous leaked drafts, so they do sound credible) this is a total capitulation on the part of the United States.
Art of the Deal.
I wouldn’t consider it a win if they get paid merely the damages caused - they did lose lives after all. But also, if true, Magastan didn’t win anything.
It is impossible to verify the draft agreement, which the Mirror has been given, because it could be a Tehran bid to combat the lies about settlements uttered by Trump.
Even the mirror is calling all sides as lacking credibility, fucking hell if that’s not an indication of how fucked this whole situation is…
lol that fuckin strait ain’t opening this year, is it
say bye bye to economic growth by next month
Here’s some hopium for us all: Considering how little the average person has benefited from economic growth, that might not be so bad.
Especially if it hastens our independence from fossil fuels (which, in a sane world, events like this absolutely should).
That is a wild thought. I saw something that said the top ten percent of the economy is the only sector of the economy showing any movement. Essentially that 90% of Americans have zero economic power.
Your observation kinda lines up with that. It would also make “I love the inflation” make sense. The capital class is doing good.
Haha no no, you don’t understand. When there is growth the profits are privatized; when there is a collapse, the losses are socialized.
Sounds remarkably like this cuckolding fetish I’ve been hearing about.
The president keeps straight up lying and saying the deal covers the nuclear issue, even as Iran says it doesn’t.
This deal won’t hold even if it’s reached. As if our president could say no to Israel when they restart hostilities. This thing won’t end, it just remains to be seen if Iran is willing to accept lebanon being turned into gaza and attacks against Iran and their people while still keeping the straits open.
This will go on forever, peace deal or no.
Until conservatives lose control of the US.
Don’t be so sure. Trump has tipped the US’s hand and shown them to be weak as piss. It’s going to be pretty hard to walk back from here now since Trump has ruined all the soft power the US had around the world, and now we all know the military aren’t up to the task either the US will no longer hold a position of power at the negotiating table. Trump has completely and utterly fucked the US globally.
Can you imagine Iran embarrassing the US weekly in the 1970s? They wouldn’t have dared. But now most of the world is laughing with them as we watch Trump shart himself to death.
The Fart of the Meal
Art of the deal, everyone
The article says solving the nuclear issue is not realistic in 60 days, I think it is. Trump will propose to reinstate what Obama obtained, with his name sharpied over.
Iran will never accept those terms today. That ship sailed when USA attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations.
And now Iran has found out their negotiation position is way better than they thought before Israel ans USA attacked them.Art of the deal. Fucking idiot.
It does largely appear to be their ballgame, but the US seems quite content to utterly collapse states in the Middle East lately.
Yes, this is an absolute shitshow, and USA is probably the biggest loser in all of this. Not Trump, he is raking in money on insider trading and corruption, but USA and average Americans are losing a lot of money on higher oil prices.
It seems it’s trump putin and bibi making out like thieves in the night
Dissonance has never been an issue for the American right, but it’s going to be harder for Iran or Israel to accept that.
art of the deal.
But the peace deal will still be signed today, right?
SOP with Trump: lose and declare victory.
Haha he’s so used to his deals being unknown so he probably can’t accept one less than Obama’s previous deal since itll be public. Hard to spin the cash they’re giving them when numbers are known.
This is your bed you lay in it, unfortunately a position Trump will never accept. Mean hopefully he does for everyone else but that alone means nothing for Trump…the great deal maker, the bastion of making a deal, apparently he made an art of it or something by being the best bullshitter.
Ani said it best, “Get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand
Of someone else’s desert
Put it back in its pants
And quit the hypocritical chants of
Freedom forever”- Self Evident
