Imo impossible meat is superior to beyond although nutritionally it’s a mixed bag. It introduces a decent amount of carbs (9g per 4oz) and has over 5x the sodium of beef. But it also has a bit of fiber and a either comparable or more vitamin/mineral content than beef. Protein is comparable to 80% ground with 20% less caloric content
Beyond is similar.
They’re both basically vegetable proteins with binders and fats and some flavorings. The big game changer flavoring is leghemoglobin which both use. It’s a protein isolated from soy that is very similar to certain enzymes from bovine muscle. Impossible got the fda to approve it in 2019 and it was challenged; there are some concerns on whether it is safe to eat. I’m not super well read on the issue but from what I’ve perused the issue is one of a lack of long term testing and not of any direct concern.
The textural difference between the two is because beyond uses isolated pea protein, which gives it a texture that’s a bit chunkier and imo more sausage like, and impossible uses soy protein, which imo is more like a cheap burger patty you’d get at McDonald’s.
The fats are typical fats like coconut oil or sunflower oil to recreate the fatty part of beef and this is the current weakness of the products imo. Coconut oil is used because it tends to stay solidified at room temp so when you’re making patties it feels like there are chunks of beef fat. In practice this is weird because they are far too hard and aren’t dispersed enough throughout the product; I believe this is why these fake meats tend to stick to the pan much easier than actual burgers cooked in a skillet.
The binders are big scary words like methylcellulose which is also a source of fiber and can be used as a laxative so people latch onto that and freak out. But it’s only used as a binder to help it hold everything together here so it’s like a tiny amount that just provides a bit of fiber that you probably desperately need if you’re having burgers for dinner. Fun fact: Certain preparations of methylcellulose (a4c) turn into gels when heated so you can use them to make hot ice cream! It’s pretty weird to eat, like a normal ice cream base that solidifies when you put it into boiling water
The other ingredients are stuff like beet juice for coloring
Final fun fact: technically impossible meat is not vegan because animal testing was done during its development.
Thanks for reading my unprompted essay on the composition of modern vegan meat substitutes. This was brought to you by my failed interest in becoming a food scientist. Also you may note I don’t really discuss how they compare to meat and that’s because I don’t eat meat which by law I am required to mention in all posts about food
Seems like an absolute process. I’m not a vegan but it’s nice you guys have options when you’re craving a burger. I can’t wait until that lab grown meat hits the markets.
Honestly I think Beyond Meat/Impossible style burgers are aimed at meat eaters who want to reduce animal cruelty/their carbon footprint. It’s actually kind of annoying they’re so popular now, as restaurants that used to have creative vegan options now sell Beyond Meat as the only choice.
Vegans don’t tend to care if a veggie burger is “realistic”. Some find the idea of meat gross and don’t want to roleplay eating it (my wife says they make her feel sick). Even if you don’t mind, the longer you give up meat the less interesting it is as a flavor. I’d take one of those shitty frozen veggie burgers that are 90% potato over an Impossible burger.
I get impossible burgers often and can confirm. Not vegetarian, but I’ve massively reduced red meat consumption and impossible/beyond really hits the spot when I want a burger. It’s an option at tons of restaurants now which is amazing. I also get 10 packs of impossible burgers at costco for like $10, honestly incredible deal.
Even if you don’t mind, the longer you give up meat the less interesting it is as a flavor.
I think there’s a curve to this.
When I first became vegetarian there were no fake meat options. If you got something that looked or tasted like meat it was because there was meat in it. Gross and nobody wanted that.
But after 20+ years being vegetarian, it’s REALLY nice to have some other options. I still enjoy a garden burger or black bean burger if it’s the only non-meat option but I can’t remember the last time I bought it in the store. The rise in popularity of vegetarian foods and all the fad diets have made it so there’s tons of options now.
My meat eating friends all love both Beyond and Impossible. A few actually prefer it to a standard burger.
Now if we can just teach restaurants how to cook them properly…
I mean a nice portobello grilled up is a great alternative without the hassle.
A grilled portabella is better than any veggie burger I’ve had, and better than most beef burgers too.
Also between a industrial processed food and something like a falafel I would go for the second every time.
How do you know someone is a vegetarian? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Just kidding, most vegetarians I know are really cool and non-judgmental about others’ eating habits. I’ve actually reduced my meat intake just by hanging out with a vegetarian friend that always went out of their way to make me something with meat when we ate together, and to return the favor I would always make vegetarian dishes when they ate at my place. And then I just sort of got into the challenge of making tasty veggie dishes! I would say I’ve halved my meat consumption over the last year because of it.
This was very fascinating. Do you work in the industry?
I wanted to very badly but then life happened and now I have a whole other career!
I still cook a lot though and I have a lot of weird powders and additives and machinery for stuff. I have a whole ass refrigerated centrifuge that can spin 3 liters at a time so I can isolate my own pea and soy protein in quantity! It weighs like 350 pounds and it’s from the 80s but fuck it, it’s super cool and I was able to get it for $25 from a lab I interned at. I can’t make soy leghemoglobin at home though at there’s no commercial supplier I’ve found so far so I have to still buy impossible or beyond meat if I want it, bummer
Hopefully there will be more food nerds on lemmy. I am only an amateur food nerd, there are way better ones out there
Man that’s so cool. Have you tried cooking anything else with it (if you can’t make patty)? Also is there any interesting reading material you could recommend me?
You can basically use it any way you would use ground beef, bolognese, meatballs, curry, tacos, whatever
Read on food and cooking by McGee and ratio by ruhlman to start
Oh, also one more question, is pea protein nutritionally equivalent to ground beef or would you start missing something if you treated it that way?
Pea/soy protein itself as they’re just isolated proteins isn’t but the full product impossible/beyond is pretty comparable
Thanks for the interesting write up.
Why are you required by law to say you don’t eat meat?
It was a bad joke
I think it’s a joke based on the stereotype of vegans being very outspoken about it.
What kind of animal testing could they even do? Lol. Feed the burger to a dog?
The leghemoglobin was, yeah. Tested on rats for allergen safety to achieve fda approval. Not vegan because in testing like this the rats are both robbed of their autonomy and they have to be killed afterward (which they were, and almost 200 of them)
I do eat meat, quite frequently.
Impossible is the only meat substitute I’ve had that I couldn’t immediately tell the difference with, in either flavor or texture. If the price is ever on-par with hamburger (ideally cheaper), I will switch without hesitation. I will highly recommend it to anyone that’s vegan (yes, yes, I know) or vegetarian.
I’ve also had some soy wings that are very, very good, better than real wings. Then again, I don’t actually like real chicken wings that much.
You can see the difference even visually. WTF are you talking about?
Since I don’t usually eat steak tartare, the raw appearance isn’t relevant to me. The cooked appearance is close enough to not be noted.
(I like tartare, but finding a butcher that is fully trustworthy is difficult where I live.)
The photo in the post shows a huge difference in appearance.
That’s pretty disgusting ultra processed shit.
Yeah, unlike the totally non-disgusting way meat is processed
It’s not processed.
What? You dumb?
Absolutely, I am a complete idiot. I pointed out to you that a simple & obvious search results in multiple definitions & examples of how meat is processed. I thought that would result in you understanding that meat is, in fact, processed. In hindsight, that was extremely stupid of me and I feel very dumb.
Wut? Do you even read, bro?
What defines ultra processed? Are chicken nuggets ultra processed if I simply purée a chicken breast, add salt, shape, bread, and fry? I’ve turned it into something that is completely irrelevant to its original form. Is sausage ultra processed because I added nitrates? Is nitrate free sausage not ultra processed because I used the loophole where I added celery juice for its natural nitrate content instead of adding them directly?
When exactly does it become ultra processed? When a chemist gets involved and gives things proper names that freak you out?
Are you one of the kooky types that freak out when they see “sodium stearoyl lactylate” on the label of their sandwich bread even though it’s safe to eat and objectively makes your bread better and last longer? If so I’m sorry that you insist on eating bread that is not as soft and goes stale in 2 days
unlike the not disgusting animal farming process: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23817808/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunity-feces-intestines
That’s US. Everything is shit there.
If there’s one dish where I feel it’s a waste to eat animal meat, it’s hamburgers. Vegetarian alternatives have come a long way and in a burger they’re often the superior option.
There’s a small difference for sure, but the BM patties are far from inferior. And much of the difference is masked by condiments anyway.
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing “wagyu beef burger” on a menu. What’s the fucking point if you’re gonna grind it up and shape it into a patty
They still use the burger parts for burger. They’re not taking a ribeye and grinding it up and selling it at a loss.
Is it a dumb thing for dumb people? Maybe. You would think the extra fat would just cook off and it wouldn’t go very far vs uncooked weight.
I wouldn’t buy one but I wouldn’t want that meat to go to waste either.
At Costco the ground wagyu is cheaper than the regular ground beef. I use it in cooking rice dishes and the fat does give it a nicer flavor. Also appreciate that wagyu is sold in 1lb packs vs. 1.33 lbs for the Kirkland brand.
Portobello ftw !
The difference is most certainly not small. It’s very noticeable. I also love the veggie options, but your position is kind of like saying:
If there’s one dish where I feel it’s a waste to eat
animal meatfusilli, it’shamburgerspasta.Vegetarian alternativesSpaghetti has come a long way and in aburgerpasta dish, they’re often the superior option.I personally think like the complete opposite - if there’s anything that’s a waste, it’s a beyond meat burger, because veggie burgers are like, really fucking good. Why on earth would you settle for an inferior pretend product when you can instead have a really good thing that’s not pretending to be something else?
Miss me with that fake meat stuff and bring back actual veggie burgers! I got a real nice sweet potato and refried black bean one I’ve been working on for a while now
Lemmy has a different ides of what counts as food porn.
I think that’s more a reflection on amount of content producers than anything else.
I don’t mean any disrespect to OP because that looks good and I can’t cook for shit, but I agree with you that this isn’t the sort of content I would expect.
Question… This is from someone who didn’t surf Reddit at all, never saw foodporn on reddit. I only used to frequent 2 subs regarding apps I use. From the comments on here it seems foodporn was like high end, artistic professional chef type productions on Reddit. When I first came to this community on Lemmy all I saw in the About sidebar was “Your favorite food in the world!”, that’s it. No mention of some special presentation, or that it had to be profesional chef style dishes, and that paper plates, fast-food , takeout etc didn’t qualify. Is this community supposed to be a recreation of uppity foodporn sub from Reddit? If so wouldn’t that be explained in the sidebar? I was taken back by many of the judgemental type comments here, not only about my posts but also towards other people’s.
I think your post was mostly well received. I wouldn’t worry about it man. Hope you didn’t take my comment the wrong way. I don’t think lemmy should be/doesn’t need to be a reddit clone. Communities will figure themselves out.
OK thanks… Your post was fine, you seemed reasonable that’s why I asked… Appreciate it
And seriously having literally no idea what foodporn meant before… I saw the name of the community and seeing porn as part of the name I definitely didn’t think it meant high end food dishes 😂
This is like real porn vs. AI porn.
Yeah this’d be like TastyFood in the old place. But I always thought FoodPorn was too unrealistic. Like, every bun had to have that glossy brown sheen or it was crap, etc.
I feel like a lot of you never had a good hamburger in your life
Both of these look pretty mediocre. wtf are you doing with the cheese? lmao
I’m gonna need an explanation of your bun situation. From here that looks like you’re using extra wide english muffins or something.
Are we just glossing over the colour and plasticity of the cheese too?
Nothing is that orange and shiny
It looks like Kerrygold pre sliced cheddar or the like. Usually it gets a bit sweaty as it melts.
Melted cheese is, throwing cheese on the patty for the last part of cooking is what I do.
That looks like cheddar cheese.
They forgot to cook the chips too.
I hate to just shit on things but overall this is a pretty sad looking pile of food IMO.
I can’t wait for lab-grown meat.
“From lab to slab!”
…without a stab!
But it tastes bad
I really enjoy BM’s burger personally. Taste is good but the real kicker is the texture and how it really has some body to it. What’s the consensus on them?
I personally think the flavour is off but the texture is good, I personally prefer impossible burger
I’ve only had the Impossible Whopper, but I thought it was way too salty. Is it like that when you buy it in the store too?
No they add extra salt to the whopper I too did not really enjoy the whopper
Good to know. Thanks.
Impossible burger is usually more salty than beef even before cooking. Not enough to be salty tasting, but if you’re trying to eat a low sodium diet they have a fair bit more than real beef.
I don’t think I’ve seen them around yet in my country, I’ll have a look around to see if I can get them to try
Impossible taste is nearly a replica of beef. And when you surround it in burger toppings, it could trick me
It’s not a replica. Have you people ever tried proper burgers at all?
I’ve had them before. The flavor is a bit different and the texture is a little softer, but it’s pretty close. All in all, they taste very good and they’re filling like a normal burger; albeit a little expensive compared to meat.
There was a period in 2020 and into 2021 beyond meat was cheaper than ground beef.
I am a vegetarian and do my best to avoid meat replacements, but I do miss meat balls and meatloaf. Beyond meat works well for both of those.
More preservatives than a McDonald’s Happy Meal. No thanks.
I’m not sure how I am supposed to judge food based on pictures. It could look like dwarf barf, if it tastes and feel good it’s ok.
I can’t even tell which is which. Based on the beef patties I had last night, the right is the meat. But the left could be meat too - but cooked by a heathen on a very very low grill. But as you say, who cares if it tastes great? I don’t even need Beyond meat to taste like meat if it tastes delicious.
I’m a fan of Beyond meat but this doesn’t qualify as food porn. They look ok I guess but definitely not porn level.
Years ago I spent a handful of months in Japan. It was wonderful, as always. But a couple months in I was really jonesing for some tasty Mexican food. I was told of a Mexican restaurant that was close enough. I went and ordered a chicken burrito and something else (I don’t remember). It showed up and looked exactly what I would have gotten from one of the hundreds of Mexican restaurants around where I lived in SoCal. I took a bite and…not a single flavor was right. It looked wonderful, but tasted like a joke.
I agree looks can be deceiving. My go to example is a wedding cake that’s 90% fondant, blech. I stand by my statement though, even if the meal was good, that photo of it is not.
You seem to have accidently put the cheese on the bottom.
I prefer the Impossible beef. I just think it tastes better.
Is it cake??
If the way food LOOKS is the main metric you use to judge it, then I feel bad for your taste buds.
Gosh I love burgers. Meat, veggie, salmon…mmm
deleted by creator
