Previously on Lemmy:
Past Discussions:
Sorry for the delay for the weekly. Server’s not that stable right now, maybe we should start the thread on Sundays instead.
I always like to switch things up once in a while because it’s fun. So, let’s get back to the brand discussion this week for the Google Pixel. We’ll do a discussion on repairability next week. Again, ideas are always welcome here.
I’ve never used a Pixel, but people around here should know that I’ve been very critical of Google’s product decisions over the years, and the Pixel is no exception. In my point of view, discontinuing the Nexus series, buying out the talents from the remains of HTC and starting an official “made by Google” phone is the equivalent of reddit buying out Alien Blue to make the official reddit app. I think it’s the event that scared big Android manufacturers like Samsung enough to start making their own ecosystem away from Google, as they are concerned that Google may start locking software features to their own phones instead of improving Android overall (rightfully so, I might add).
It really makes no business sense at all to turn your manufacturing partners into your competitors, but then again, it’s Google.
With that being said, the first years of the Pixels has been marred with growing pains. Whereas the Nexus line has always been barebones, no frills development devices, it seemed to me that the people who made Pixels don’t even use Android and are insistent on turning Pixel into iPhones, removing the headphone jack on the Pixel 2 despite the antagonistic ad from the original Pixel, Pixel exclusive software features like Google camera that necessitating the need of rom mods, as well as the quality issues that seems to be inherited from the Nexus days just really soured me from considering Pixels, as I think it’s against the spirit of openness that made Android great.
But it seems like in recent years, they finally figured out that a large percentage of people who bought Androids not because they can’t afford iPhones, but because they like Android, and I see the introduction of the “a” series as progress. The recent Pixel ad campaign also made me think that they finally figuring it out: people want different things, trying to turn Android into worse versions of iPhones was not going to work, so they should be trying to make the best Android for Android users instead.
(It’s also the reason I think all the previous reddit clones failed, but Lemmy will be the one that finally succeeds.)
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I’ve had Pixels 2, 3, 4, 5a, and 7. I really like them and haven’t had a serious problem. Sure do hate Google but goodness sakes can they make a phone, and I run custom ROMs anyway.
Any particular feature stands out to you?
Google Camera is superior. I don’t want it to be so, but it is. Also like the other commenter said, it updates forever and they get the updates first.
The updates has been one of my biggest drivers, they have minimal bloateare, and, the phones are like the sweet spot of value/performance for what i do daily.
I like that they’re updated fast and long, and the Tensor chip capabilities are used for useful little functionalities
GrapheneOS?
I really liked the Nexus Line of Google phones and from what I’ve seen the Pixels are great phones, but the price puts them outside of what I want to pay.
The 3a, and the 6a might be the only ones I considered, but the rest are just “Flagship priced phones” and yeah they may have the hardware to back them up, but paying 600+ dollars for a phone is ridiculous. With them reaching for a thousand dollars is a hard no.
You basically hit on it. They’re trying to make them into iPhones… people are on Android specifically because they don’t want Apple prices, or that type of enviroment.
I personally like the diversity and freedom of Android. Sometimes I do wish I like iPhones better though.
It’s not only the price. I simply don’t want to have iOS devices. I like their technology and the iOS implementation, don’t misunderstand me. But I won’t accept a walled garden in my pocket. I have so much software installed from different sources and I like to write apps by myself, too.
Many people are only happy with unlimited possibilities. If you are restricted and not trusted as a power user, your phone is not worth to be called “smart”.
I like it because it’s quick and doesn’t have any bloatware.
Literally every Google app in existence is preinstalled
I’ve got a 4a (bought on release) and it has been my favorite phone. Not a huge power user so it’s a good small device that has the features I want (fingerprint, 3.5 Jack). My biggest gripe is something I think Google changed sometime before the 4a, and that’s their is no HDMI over USB possible with Pixel devices. From what I can tell the only reason they did this was to sell Chromecasts. The main issue is I watch horror movies on a projector with some friends while camping(no Wi-Fi or data so Chromecast doesn’t work). The software on the projector has poor support for different codecs so ideally I’d use VLC on my phone and have no issue, but I cant. Pretty niche scenario there but I think it’s a sign of how modern phones have slowly been taking away useful features for seemingly no reason. Makes me not want to get a Google phone again.
Using pixel 6 pro. It’s fine. I’m happy not to have all the bloated janky apps that come on other phones.
Also on a P6P. Only complaint is the sluggish fingerprint reader, but I’m used to it by now.
Really hope that Google will eventually start offering more than 2yrs of updates though. Otherwise, happy with the phone.
In the first winter, the shipped camera app crashed the phone. That was fun. Also, battery life is still… Only okayish. Would buy again though, awesome otherwise.
I’ve got a Pixel 4a, which is definitely older than two years, and I still get security- and feature-updates.
The only phones that ever made me warm and fuzzy inside were Google made phones (Nexus 5 was brilliant) and it’s unlikely I’ll try a different phone anytime soon.
iPhones stress me out due to the height of the walled garden and other android phones are usually a cluttered mess.
Anyway, I recommend pixel phones and most of my family have pixel phones these days.
I just pretend to be tech illiterate sometimes to get out of doing tech support.
Been using Pixel phones since the Pixel 2XL.
It simply comes down to simplicity and updates.
It always seems like with other manufacturers (especially Samsung) they try to throw everything they can at you to see what people might use. Whether that be 3 different apps for taking notes or 19 camera modes depending on what kind of food I’m taking a picture of.
When it comes to updates, I know manufacturers have definitely stepped up their game, but I’m still burned out on updates from before I had a Pixel. I used Moto phones before then and would often wait a year after a major version release to get the update.
Getting day 1 updates and being able to participate in betas is a big plus for me
I’ve been with Pixel since it started, Nexus before that, and a Palm Pre before that.
There is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS some random hardware bug with Pixels that most people seem to not have but if you have it, it absolutely sucks. The speaker buzz. The display gap. The fingerprint sensor. The camera glass shattering for no reason at all. I’ve had them all and I finally went to Sammy with an S22, which I hate.
I wish Google had never bought HTC and brought hardware in house. I think they would be much better able to strongarm hardware partners if they weren’t competing against them with their own hardware.
After a long line of Samsung phones, I decided to try a pixel at my last change, so got the 6. I’ve been really happy with it. Performance is good, camera and camera software are great, features are nice. The Samsungs were getting pretty bloated in comparison.
In the process of deGoogling, but the phone is something that I’m saving for another year or three. My 6 Pro is doing just fine.
You could always install GrapheneOS on it, they only support Pixels.
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I sold my Pixel 6 pro to get a Samsung S23. Unfortunately the main issues I had with the pixel were hardware-related and recurring, and while samsung isn’t ideal, most of their issues could be solved with a one-time fix.
Main issues I had with the Pixel:
- Fingerprint sensor doesn’t work with privacy screens. Period. It’s not a question of buying cheap privacy screens, the Pixel fingerprint reader is optical and is just not compatible with privacy screens. Samsung uses an ultrasonic reader which is compatible with privacy screens.
- The 6 Pro was unwieldy and ridiculously large, the smaller 6 doesn’t have the triple camera setup. Samsung is one of the few that doesn’t sacrifice phototaking ability in a smaller form factor.
- That godawful new quick toggles UI is horrible. The quick toggles are ridiculously large, and who decided it would be a good idea to merge the wifi and internet toggles?! I managed to use adb commands to split the toggles in 12, but that broke with 13.
Issues I had with the Samsung:
- Bloat - this was mainly in the form of some preinstalled software, but unlike in the early days of Samsung, I could uninstall most of the bloat easily without resorting to root, adb, etc. No bloat (pixel) is still better than bloat that can be uninstalled (samsung), but this problem was permanently solved after about 10 minutes.
- Some Samsung native apps have horrible permission settings - eg Samsung Pay requires access to your contacts, and if you deny it any one permission, the app just force closes. I got around this by uninstalling the offending apps and using alternatives (e.g. google pay) - again, a one-time issue. fuck the intrusive permissions.
They used to be fantastic, but for various reasons Google have been reducing the quality of their products for some time.
The android 12 update really hurt the UI/UX by limiting customization, adding big obnoxious qs tiles that obstruct notifications for no reason (that I am constantly activating by accident), removing the wifi toggle and wasting home screen real estate with an ‘at a glance’ widget that isn’t useful (it’s like a wish.com version of Google now), you need a custom default program manager to let it open search results in browser without pushing shit apps (like reddit official). Also wasn’t the point of pure android to avoid bloatware? Why am I carrying google TV, YouTube, wallet, Google money, fit, Google one, gpay,
spyassistant, lens, meet etc?As bad as the recent software direction is, the hardware is worse. My pixel 7 pro new has worse battery life than my pixel 5 had after 2 years of constant use, it overheats and throttles doing basic tasks (like maps), the glass back is among the most slippery things I’ve ever touched, the curved screen has an infuriating glare persistent no matter how you hold it, the fingerprint sensor is unreliable and in an awkward place, there’s no capacitive gesture to drop notifications shade and “double tap” gesture meant to replace it flat out doesn’t work. The charging is super slow, the curved screen follows the curved screen trend of breaking easily, all phones in the current line up are too large to use comfortably with one hand, they deleted the headphone jack to sell shit earbuds (yes that was ages ago but it’s still stupid).
All in, I’d trade my pixel 7 pro in for a gen 5 model or earlier in a heartbeat. Been a long time Google/nexus user but however good the old phones were, my next phone won’t have a tensor!
I’ve had a Pixel 4a and now have a Pixel 7. I also had a Nexus 5 a long time ago, and a OnePlus 5T for a while after the Nexus 5’s camera broke.
Pixel 4a was great aside from the lack of waterproofing. I loved the size of it, it was fast enough, the camera was good enough, and I didn’t think I’d need another phone until I went hiking in the rain with it and couldn’t be bothered to go 100m back to the car to get a ziplock bag at the start of the hike :/
Pixel 7 is good, but I preferred the smaller size of the 4a, and some of the 7’s features just feel unnecessary to me, such as the higher refresh screen, as I don’t care about gaming on it. The in-screen fingerprint reader is definitely waaaaay worse than the one on the 4a (and especially the OnePlus 5T), and I have to enter my code a lot, but it’s not as bad as when I first got the phone. The insanely bright glow of the fingerprint reader when you use it at night is a bit annoying, as others have mentioned.
It also seems to get very hot sometimes, the official case isn’t quite as nice as that of the 4a, despite being more expensive, and the battery life is meh. Lack of a headphone jack is also less than ideal, but I guess I should just buy some bluetooth earphones. Actually, I got it at launch and used the Google Store points to buy Google Buds Pro and the case, but then I sold the buds to effectively get a nice discount instead.
The camera on both phones has been great, with the 7 being quite a bit better than the 4a, though honestly the 4a was good already and I didn’t really care about any camera upgrades aside from the wide angle lens, which is awesome.
Software wise, I like stock Android, but I miss the long screenshot function of OnePlus’ Oxygen OS. Other than that, it’s nice. Google apps are mostly awesome, though I think you can get the same features such such as voice assistant, navigation etc. on other Android phones just by installing the Google apps.
Still using the 3A and it’s still OK. I’m a fan of Pixel phones (used Nexus phones before that), and I usually use them until they stop working, then I buy the latest model. I think I still have a year with this one.
