People arguing he shouldn’t be prosecuted is wild, like we’ve been so cowed into submission by this dumpster fire of an electoral system that we’re afraid to prosecute high treason because otherwise the treasonist might win
Too many people seem to want to “win” at any cost. What they feel they’re winning, I couldn’t begin to guess. The rich jerks are still going to be rich, the poor ones poor, and you all get to live in a fascist hell hole.
And it’s not like that type isn’t known for turning on their own team too, so in the end, almost everyone loses. What percentage benefited from any of these authoritarian regimes? If it was ever over 10% is be pretty surprised. It’s a pyramid scheme that takes lives.
We have/had the same issues here in UK with Boris Johnson and the like.
The fan clubs of these scumbags are so removed from reality, it’s painful.
Isn’t it funny how anti-liberal reactionaries sound the same on the right and the left?
It’s good…so long as we follow the advice of that last section: “Prosecute Them All”. If it’s used instead to distract from the ongoing crimes of other parties and other politicians—such as the fascist currently at the helm—then I couldn’t care less, and I think we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be distracted by it while there are much more important things to focus on.
The worst of Trump’s crimes—the ones that did serious, material harm to working-class people—aren’t being touched by this, just as they weren’t touched by the farcical impeachments the Democrats facilitated. And that’s because they, themselves, are happily engaged in the same crimes, as they have been all along.
Sure, bring out your popcorn or whatever when you’re relaxing at home and have nothing better to worry about. But during the day, put all the energy you can into what we MUST do to turn things around: put an end to state warfare, ongoing climate destruction, and the state violence and repression that keeps us from making progress on everything else.
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> And that brings us to the real double standard here. Trying to overturn an American election is the kind of crime the Justice Department takes seriously. Extrajudicially slaughtering scary Muslims in a foreign country, even ones with US citizenship, is not.
Attacks carried out on marginalized communities—carried out just like the Jan 6 Washington DC attack was, but in cities and towns everywhere else on a monthly basis at least—also are not taken seriously. Jan 6 was one of MANY, but only when the halls of power see a tiny inkling of a (pretty pathetic) threat does it matter to politicians and their liberal fans. Not okay.
EDIT: sigh. Blockquotes broken by some Lemmy update.
The list of presidents is essentially a list of criminals. Hopefully Trump will be the start of a trend of prosecuting these ghouls; it’s fun to imagine.
Yep. Let’s keep pushing for it.
Only if he actually ends up behind bars. Otherwise, this will have been a giant waste of taxpayer money and the final nail in rule-of-law’s coffin.
Not prosecuting someone is the same net effect as them not being convicted, but with a 100% certain negative result, rather than at least the chance of a conviction. If you don’t prosecute out of fear that it will end the rule of law, the rule of law is already dead.
Serious question, would Jan 6 be allowed to happen anywhere else?
I’m glad people, even if only private citizens so far, have been charged and convicted, even if it’s just a slap on the wrist. I’m hoping very much that at least some officials are held responsible as well. We can’t expect any leader, any public servant, any police officer, or even any citizen to redirect the law if we don’t hold people equally accountable.
We also need to announce to the world that we won’t tolerate certain behavior. We can’t go around acting terrible and get upset when all of a sudden someone decides to partner with Russia or China instead. If we want to be a respected partner with other countries, we have to respect ourselves and hold everyone accountable equally.
> Serious question, would Jan 6 be allowed to happen anywhere else?
Yes, except on a level which actually has some non-laughable chance of succeeding—and which often even does succeed. Often facilitated by the U.S. itself. 2014 in Ukraine, for example, and all over Latin America, and…well, pay attention to West Africa right now, because most if not all of the coups taking place are being carried out by military forces that were trained by the U.S. If you think the clown show of Jan 6 was actually some kind of “threat to democracy” then you REALLY need to start paying attention to what the U.S. has been doing at home in smaller communities, and big-time abroad, for a very, very, very long time.
Kinda weird IMHO to equate military coups orchestrated by the US against local and Soviet interests (in Latin America), with military coups against the US and France and local interests but toward Russia (in the Sahel), with a popular uprising supported but not instigated by the US (Euromaidan).
But regardless, the US is a serial offender here.
Very true, I should have specified places we’d generally consider world powers. If we’re doing apples to apples comparisons between the US and Niger or Honduras, the battle would already be lost.
