(not that we know where to repair it or how much it’d cost, we just throw it)

Edit : I can understand why taking two hours to repair something worth 20€ isn’t worth it though, e.g. a computer mouse, but even in such case we could standardize a minimum and have enterprises specialized in ensuring that spare parts are always available(, each costing a few euros).
Then instead of the longer task of repairing a circuit board, the consumer could easily swap it by h·er·im·self, or leave it to a pro who’d take less than 5mns.
(And the older circuit board would be sent for free and either repaired or stripped for parts)
(Transportation costs will be greatly reduced in the very near future with automation, but warehouses should exist less than 12h away)

  • SuDmit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    Maybe, if for some reason we stop manufacturing things with complex shapes via injection molding (which is, like, super cheap on big scale) or similar processes, and come back to “constructing them from a lot of generic parts, preferably easily recycleable”. Also semiconductor components (actual microcontrollers, or displays, and in some cases whole boards if they are tiny enough, because of how many effort they require) are not really repairable, you just replace broken components.

    Edit: Also whole economy of scale go against this. Repairing stuff (now) is usually about individual products, hard to automate, and requires skill, also means complex logistics. Manufacturing tons of the same stuff cheapens over time, required less skill for each individual part or product and in general is highly automated.

  • pipi1234@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    That would be ideal, but is not the reality right now, and several things would have to change in order to get there.

    As a person that repairs everything I own as a hobby (I would love it to be my job but sadly it pays much less), I can tell confidently the following:

    The reason why repairing things nowadays tend to cost equal or more is due to manufacturers actively making products harder to repair.

    Soldered parts instead of connectors, glued chassis, glass parts that are imposible to remove without breaking, spare parts that are hard to find, or outright impossible due to being proprietary, and a long list of etc…

    Furthermore, manufacturers factor in unit turnover for subsidising unit prices.

    Ex. They’d rather charge you 300 for a TV that will last 4 years than 500 than one that will last 10.

    Why? Simple math and “Maximising shareholder value”.

    300/4 = 75 500/10 = 50

    You dont know it but everything you own is a subscription service provided by the manufacturing companies.

    This is aggravated by a never ending chain of improvements, new models, new trends that keep you in the loop of consumption.

    Why would I try to repair my 3 years old phone when I can buy this new shiny one?

    They are getting richer by the minute while the rest of us is digging an early grave for ourselves, by polluting the world and consuming non renewable materials at a insane speed.

    Not everything is bad though.

    In Europe they introduced a “Right to repair” law, that force manufacturers ensure spare parts for at least 10 years and provide repair service at a reasonable price.

    That’s a great measure that should incentivice companies to make products more repairabld!

    • elephantium@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 month ago

      manufacturers actively making products harder to repair.

      Possible counterexample: My dishwasher. The drain pump is super easy to replace – unplug it, disconnect the hoses, and pop it off the little metal piece that supports its weight. It takes longer to bail out the water in the pan and wiggle it out from under the counter than it does to replace the faulty pump.

      (At the same time, it’s a pretty crap model. We’ve had to replace that drain pump 3 times since 2019)

      • pipi1234@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        Granted some appliances are harder to replace and due to that are expected to last longer.

        No the case for smaller ones that are full of plastic parts that are imposible to source replacements for.

        I think 3D printing will help a lot with that.

        • elephantium@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          True. Dishwasher is one thing, but IDK that I’d be able to swap out any parts on my coffee maker or immersion blender.

  • DaddleDew@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    It would have been unbelievable in the past as well. What we are experiencing right now shouldn’t be considered normal. Quality and efficiency have no longer being incentivized by the forces of the market for quite a while. If we don’t fix that, there won’t be a future for us to be baffled by this in.

  • kboos1@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    I will repair something if it’s swapping out a part and considering if what I’m repairing is overall worth repairing. Something’s just aren’t worth disassembling and attempting to fix and now lots of things are built in ways that cause them to break even further if you tried to disassemble it. A lot of things are glued together or have fragile clips that break.

    Being handy isn’t hard, you just have to try and then go buy a new one if you can’t fix it. The worst parts are getting the tools, buying is fun but expensive, and then if people find out that you can fix it then they will start asking for favors.

  • JelleWho@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    I have opened and tried to fix all my things. Including multiple cheap mouses. Although I have not always been successful, I mostly see it as an experience, and as a learning moment. It’s broken anyway, so it could only get better. Quite often I’m able to improve on it too! (add USB C charging to a mouse)

  • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    1 month ago

    I think the opposite is going to be true. One thing I noticed when I moved recently is that’s it’s getting cheaper to throw out perfectly good stuff and then buy it again rather than paying to have it shipped long distance too.

    • sous-merde@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      Wow

      It also reminds me that it was apparently cheaper to destroy most of the military equipment when leaving Afghanistan than rapatriating it.

  • XeroxCool@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 month ago

    Only if we level the global payscale, living conditions, and economy. Otherwise, as long as wealthy nations have vastly more disposable income than poorer nations, they will continue to be exploited. The cost of labor to commercially repair something in the EU or North America is typically higher than the cost to have someone build a new product in India or China, ship it there, warehouse it, and ship it to your door.

    I fix things. I always have. I tinker everywhere. It’s not profitable. I can only do it for myself or for friends and family for free. If overall functionality is already lost, I always try to figure it out. I saved a nice gaming monitor from a friend’s trash by finding the capacitor on the main power port hadn’t seated right before soldering, so it was temperamental. Took 2 disassemblies and 3 hours to find and fix, but has now been running for 6 years flawlessly. When it malfunctioned, it had NO life at all, which likely narrowed it down to between the power socket and the main board. I bet your local labor price on ~2 hours plus risk/profit fee is comparable a new low end monitor.

    I do lots of automotive repair for myself. It’s annoying as shit in forums to see people complain “there’s no good mechanics anymore, they’re all parts replacers now” and in the next reply say “just buy a new brake drum/rotor because it costs the same to have yours turned (refinished)”. As if the “parts replacers” can do the refinishing for free. They’re mad about the inflation/exploitation combo but taking it out on some other person suffering the same market imbalance.

    There is a reason all the cool hack and repair videos now largely come out of Asia. It’s not just sheer population numbers, they’re activities that largely don’t happen in NA/Eur anymore.

  • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 month ago

    If that’s the case, it probably means you just get to “own” products as a subscription; which collectively covers supposed “refurbished” product replacements when they break.

  • pipi1234@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 month ago

    In Europe they introduced a “Right to repair” law, that force manufacturers ensure spare parts for at least 10 years and provide repair service at a reasonable price.

    That’s a great measure that should incentivice companies to make products more repairabld!