• SokathHisEyesOpen
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    402 years ago

    I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They’ll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you’ll probably have to pay a subscription.

  • @nicerdicer@feddit.de
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    312 years ago

    I’m sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I’m mostly concerned about are:

    • Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can’t pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
    • Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - “new features” implemented (“With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise.”
    • What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?
    • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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      222 years ago

      The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child’s basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.

        • @Stoneykins@lemmy.world
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          92 years ago

          Positive thought: maybe thats the first step to become a godlike computer brain species

          Negative thought: if that is how it works I doubt it is just kids that it would do that to. If that happens I would guess it could happen to anyone who has one “installed” long enough

          • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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            42 years ago

            I think you lose a lot of neuroplasticity once you become an adult though, which you would need to reroute the neural pathways. Although I guess that there have been cases of adults who lost half their brain matter in accidents and were able to develop normal cognitive functions again. Actually, even babies must already have the visual cortex all connected up if they can see so maybe some things just develop too soon.

      • @void_wanderer@lemmy.world
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        32 years ago

        Trivia: I just learned two weeks ago that "firm"ware is in between "hard"ware and "soft"ware. It has nothing to do with a firm (a company).

    • @ngwoo@beehaw.org
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      02 years ago

      Far be it from me to suggest that tech bros won’t ruin a good thing, I really don’t think these will have a subscription model because they probably won’t have any kind of internet connectivity. They’ll be like pacemakers, purpose built for a specific function (prevent tremors, reverse paralysis, etc) and designed to only do that function for as long as possible.

      I’m sure there will be upgradable firmware at some point in the future but having your brain be connected to any kind of cloud service is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of.

      • @nicerdicer@feddit.de
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        02 years ago

        Of course many comments in this threas are exaggerated; there won’t be played any ads into your brain.

        But there are some implications for the usage of Neuralink that are worth thinking about it - especially when it comes to privacy:

        Given that it “just” runs with firmware, so that the implant can function in a way most stable and reliably, and also given that there will be no subscription model involved into all of that, will the user (patient) be able to control the functionality of the implant (e.g. controlling the intensity of the eletric signal sent out from the implant to counteract the intensity of a tremor)?

        And how will that happen? One thing I could think of is to control the implant with a smartphone app. How good will that smartphone app be? Will it be programmed sloppily like these apps we know from Internet-Of-Things-Apps and have a ton of bugs? Are those (medicinal!) apps secure in terms of privacy? What is with the product support? Will the implant be discontinued after a few years (and also the app)? What if your smartphone fails (no power or hardware failure, or after an update it doesn’t work)?

        A friend of mine has an app to monitor her blood sugar. She is not qute satified with the app. Luckily the provider of those diabetes sensors provided a separate device, so that the app is just an addition for measuring when you are travelling, for example. But in their last iteration they tried to omit the separate device, probably in order to save costs. My friend had to explicitly ask for it.

        With that in mind I’m not keen on having control on such medicinal devices with a smartphone only. If the smartphone fails, there would be no backup. Will such similar things be the case regarding Neuralink?

  • @crow@beehaw.org
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    302 years ago

    I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.

    • @abraxas@lemmy.ml
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      72 years ago

      I agree, I love the idea of a brain chip, but not if someone can change licensing terms on something that’s INSTALLED in me.

    • @worfamerryman@beehaw.org
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      32 years ago

      Dude, look at the current support for audio drivers. Do you really want to deal with that for your ears?

      Just kidding I don’t know anything about audio drivers 😂

  • On one hand I’m excited for what the tech can do for medical purposes and future applications… On the other hand I’m terrified on what governments and corporations have in mind for it, cause I guarantee it will not be good

  • @Adeptfuckup@lemmy.world
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    222 years ago

    You mean the FDA approved of lobotomizing a select few of desperate people to satiate the narcissistic impulses of its founder. Anyone else wanna take a ride in this plastic submarine???

    • @WNichArk@lemmy.world
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      212 years ago

      Uh, it’s a “submersible” and it’s not plastic, it’s throwaway expired carbon fiber from Boeing…

  • Sagrotan
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    202 years ago

    There comes the time you have to root your own brain and install CyanogenMod 23.0 “BrainIac” on it, maybe “TorView” and “OpenMath” too. I recommend “FreeTaste 2.0” as an addon.

      • Draconic NEO
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        12 years ago

        Not your brain but rather a tiny little chip inside your brain, still would be a rather difficult task (that’s an understatement) to unbrick or replace it though. Unless they put a debug Port accessible from the outside you would need surgery if you needed to JTAG to unbrick it (probably would need it anyway since if they go this route they probably won’t let you access the pins you need to from the outside).

    • @ngdev@lemmy.world
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      42 years ago

      FreeTaste 2.0

      Imagine someone infecting a user’s implant with a script that makes everything you eat/drink taste like leftover Jägermeister in a cup from a week ago

    • @MartinXYZ@lemmy.ml
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      CyanogenMod

      That would be LineageOS now. but yes, definitely root the hell out of your brain implant!

      Edit: spelling.

  • [object Object]
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    182 years ago

    Yeah nothing is even going close to my brain unless the hardware itself is open source

    • @Hikiru@lemmy.world
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      62 years ago

      Remember that episode where they trained a chat bot off a dead loved one? Then it evolved to a cloned voice, then a realistic robot body? Well we’re one step off from that

    • @_danny@lemmy.ml
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      Isn’t there a black mirror episode about someone experiencing a terrible fate because of a malfunctioning brain implant that just got FDA approval?

      • @kameecoding@lemmy.world
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        in the episode black museum

        !one of the stories is about a doctor that had a brain implant that was paired to a hat type thing that was put on patients and he could feel everything they felt for a faster diagnosis, then he started abusing it, first for sex, then he realized pain felt even better, then one day he put the device on someone as they died and reached the ultimate orgasm and got addicted to that and became a serial killer!<

  • @SlothMama@lemmy.world
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    142 years ago

    I think of this as being straight up horrifying. This isn’t exciting, this is going to be dystopian nightmare fuel. It’s not hard to imagine this being imbedded into human beings against their will too, like prisoners in the US.

    I would rather be a Borg, at least they were motivated by a collective good will to move to perfection, not puppets of a dying capitalist state and it’s related ideology.

    • @small_crow@lemmy.ca
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      12 years ago

      Gotta start somewhere! For all we know the Borg began as a simple neural implant developed by Space Coca Cola, marketed as a way to touclessly interface with vending machines, but with the actual designed purpose to make you thirsty af and constantly crave sugary beverages.

      And then the Coca Cola logistical AI gained sentience.

      • Draconic NEO
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        12 years ago

        Another idea is that somebody found an exploit in the software and figured out how to use it for much more then interfacing with vending machines. So in essence the Borg is one giant botnet accept instead of ddosing or doing database leaching they assimilate people and make them part of the botnet.

  • @WeebLife@lemmy.world
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    132 years ago

    Remember that episode in Futurama where they got personalized ads fed to their brains while they slept?.. 😔

  • Max_Power
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    122 years ago

    Musk can go first. Maybe it’ll help him save Twitter. Or he goes into the nuthouse. Either way, it would be a win.

  • FIST_FILLET
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    112 years ago

    imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can’t imagine anything worse in the world

    • @const_void@lemmy.ml
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      02 years ago

      People are still driving Teslas right now. Pretty much the same in my book. You’re trusting your life to a proven moron.

      • @Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
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        12 years ago

        Elongated Muskrat has very little to do with the inner works of the company now. Even in the heights of his involvement, by his own account, his input was tangential at best, like “we make expensive car now, use this money to make cheaper car” and “we call it x because x is the best name ever”

        • @oddsbodkins@midwest.social
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          The ongoing litigation against the company begs to differ. Also didn’t Musk step down as CEO of Twitter a while back? It seems his tangential bullshit has quite an impact. I’ll be honest I think the people actually working at Tesla do their best to try to moderate his unadulterated fuck ups. But they’re not safe from it and neither is anyone else who does business with them.

    • @Zetta@mander.xyz
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      Well the disabled people getting this implant probably don’t care about musk, it’s legitimately a cool technology and good competition for the medical space.

      Musk is a cuck still, and I’m sure we’ll have to wait a couple generations before we get the dystopian stuff in Neurallink

      • @Zron@lemmy.world
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        12 years ago

        I still don’t get how it’s at all safe or practical to have what amounts to a smart watch embedded into your brain.

        The surgery they want to do literally involves removing a piece of your skull. Falling and hitting your head without a piece of your skull removed is bad enough, this is going to seriously compromise the strength of people skulls. Which is especially bad when you consider it’s meant to solve problems like paralysis. I have a feeling that people who are just learning to walk again may be at a high risk of falling. Now they’re at a high risk of falling and cracking their skull open like an egg.

        It’s also charged with a wireless charger, which would need to placed on the device every night when you sleep. How many people remain completely still the entire night and don’t move their heads at all?

        This is a cool and valuable first step for brain augmentations that can probably help thousands of patients, but the implementation has so many glaring problems that it makes me wonder how well the actual product even functions.

        • @eestileib@sh.itjust.works
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          12 years ago

          How many people remain completely still the entire night and don’t move their heads at all?

          Anybody with sleep apnea who has a CPAP has solved a harder version of this problem. It sucks and takes a while to get used to but it’s way better than waking up with a headache every day.

          I assume that if the implant is helpful the overnight charging will be readily accepted by users.

          (I’ve got a peripheral nerve implant myself so I am quite familiar with what lengths people will go to to relieve pain)