I (23M) started therapy today, hooray!
Only problem is, my family is too goddamn spicy. Once I got into my brother’s (25M) increasingly homicidal fantasies and animal killings, she stopped me before I mentioned the threats he made to kill people and told me that she is a mandated reporter and has an obligation to report certain situations to the authorities.
I think adding police to the equation will make everything worse and immediately paint a target on my back because I am the only one who would ever disclose the violence that happens under this roof. It might result in me being homeless if I have to flee for my life. I live in Ohio and it’s the middle of winter, so not a great start.
I wanted to work with a therapist because I grew up in this place and it traumatized me so badly that I’m scared of leaving this dump (not to mention, I have disabilities now that make that difficult). How much will I have to tiptoe around here? Is merely being afraid that someone will use violence against me reportable? What about if they fantasize about murder and domestic terrorism? What about violent crimes that they committed in the past? Or specific threats in the present?
Is therapy just not the right fit for this kind of thing? Did I end up with a heavy duty “fuck you” problem and therapy is just for “I feel sad sometimes” problems? It feels like bullshit to have to self-censor so much just because things were harder for me. How is throwing cops at the problem supposed to help when there is no universal basic sustenance or housing for the victims to escape to?
What are your experiences with mandated reporting, and how do you avoid triggering it?
If your therapist told you that, they have a moral and legal requirement to report it.
Your therapist is doing the right thing. Your family is actively harmful and you need to get out of there somehow.
Unfortunately, I’m disabled, jobless, and have nobody to go to. I would have left long ago if it were so easy for me to leave.
I agree with the principle, but in practice, the violence of American capitalism is what keeps me trapped here more than anything. If I end up on the street as a result of these interventions, I will freeze to death because the system doesn’t protect from homelessness. This kind of intervention would work great in a socialist society with guaranteed basic housing and sustenance, but that isn’t the reality right now. The reality is a system that brutalizes the most vulnerable and leaves them to die.
following the law is so often, as here, not the right thing to do.
As someone who was a mandated reporter and made a sad amount of reports, the investigators aren’t idiots. They don’t knock on your door and say “hi, your kid reported that you hit them!” They know the risk and it is literally their entire life/job to avoid making situations worse.
How can they help OP, though? If it really is that obvious that it was OP who reported it, I don’t see how saying “Hi, we got an anonymous report, we’re here to investigate” would suddenly remove any suspicion by OP’s family that it was OP who did it.
Depending on where OP lives, disability programs can be very difficult to and backlogged to get into.
With that said, it sounds like OP is planning on leaving anyway.
For the latter part, it very much depends on the state and the disability.
In terms of helping, there are a few scenarios. First, forced psychiatric hospitalization. Suddenly, it’s no longer a “secret” problem with the brother. It’s known and he’d have a record in a court system and medical records. Extremely unlikely, but not impossible, is removing OP to a stable program. People with disabilities who have confirmed cases of abuse jump to the top of those waitlists. There are also many “light” versions of those scenarios that still make things, even slightly, better.
Something your therapist would not have to report is if you asked for her help to create an escape plan.
You’ve said the therapy is helping you hold a mindset that doesn’t just accept your situation. So you don’t have to go into more detail right now about why it’s so bad.
You can just make your therapy plan:
Step 1 “Persuade my therapist to help me get myself into a safe and sustainable living situation away from my immediate family”
with the promise that then you’ll do
Step 2: “Tell my therapist everything she needs to send in the authorities, in order to protect others in the family and community.”
She may be able to connect you to support services you couldn’t access on your own. Both because of her professional authority and because she’s not stuck in the house with him watching, like you are.
I’m wishing you all the lucky breaks, OP.
The pattern your brother shows is familiar. It’s the same as with serial killers, it’s how they start. I’ve read a lot about the psychology behind these people and I’ve seen a lot of documentaries. First it’s fantasies, then it starts with animals, until that won’t be enough to feed the need.
Doing nothing has a high risk of animals and people getting hurt.
It’s good you got into therapy, but especially your brother needs help. And monitoring.
And you need a safe environment.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago. I was in a psych ward and my caseworker wanted to send me to a shelter instead of going back to my family. At the time I worried that would just make everything worse, but I’ve been questioning whether I should’ve done it or not for a while since everything got worse anyway. Obviously I don’t know your whole situation, but sometimes people are just unstable and will get worse with your influence or not.
As for how to hide it, I don’t know exactly what kinda wording you could use to talk about things. You could just avoid getting into detail about what your family actually does and just focus on how they make you feel.
Holy shit brother. You’re going to get knifed.
To directly answer your core question, you definitely should be in therapy to help you process this. Your anger at the people trying to help you SAVE YOUR DAMN LIFE FROM A MURDERER in this thread is a pretty clear loud fucking red alert klaxon that you need some help processing this.
However, the more pressing issue is that YOUR BROTHER IS GOING TO KILL YOU IF YOU DON’T GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE and I do think you should consider prioritizing that in the short-to-medium term.
I’m not angry at anyone except myself. I know that everyone in this thread is smarter than me because I was raised to be stupid and easy to control. The fact that I still live here 23 when I knew I was being abused since age 13 is proof of my incomprehensible levels of idiocy. My every instinct is telling me that leaving is more dangerous than staying. I’m going to therapy because I know those instincts are wrong and I don’t know how to change them. I’m taking actions that are helping me gain a greater sense of agency and independence, but that process is frustratingly incremental. I’m stupid today, but I was even more stupid 2 weeks ago, and I will be less stupid 2 weeks from now. I hate that I’m like this. I hate that I can’t just download the brains of anyone else in this thread so I don’t have to wait for my brain cells to hurry the fuck up and rewire themselves into a usable configuration. But that’s what I have to do. I have to push myself more and more to learn that I’m not as powerless as my abusers make it seem. I know this, but I need to feel it.
These people can’t do shit to me. They had to lobotomize me to have any power over me because they don’t have time to watch me 24/7. If I knew what I was doing, I could be gone without a trace in less than 24 hours. I just won’t do it because I’m scared that my conditions make me unhireable and I won’t be able to convince anyone to let me live with them. Both of these are untrue and I’m too dumb to see why. THAT’S why I’m going to therapy – because once I realize I have that power, that’s it.
Once I have a clearer mind, I’ll be using the resources that everyone linked and look up more of them on my own. I’m going to find a way through this. I’ll have to step outside of my comfort zone a lot, but it can be done. I’m going to stop asking strangers on the Internet to do all of the work for me and do it my damn self.
I’ve embarrassed myself a lot in this thread, but I can always improve, become less embarrassing, and slowly take off the clown makeup piece by piece. The people here are trying to tell me that I can do more than I’m doing now, and they’re right. It just needs to get through to me. Maybe it takes more than just Lemmy threads. Maybe it takes a therapist, experiences of doing things on my own, and maybe a few friends. But it will happen.
I want to thank everyone for trying to help snap me out of it. It’s going to take some work, but I know there’s hope.
I mean that’s good, but dude is going to shank you. Progress won’t feel like much while you’re bleeding out.
You’re in imminent danger.
Dude I replied to you in the last thread.
Walk out of the house. Now.
Want to point out that you can have this conversation with your therapist without triggering any disclosure alarms.
Find out what you can and can’t say.
For example, you can talk about how “the stress of home” effects you without saying what actions of others are.
Might feel like tip toeing, could also get you through whilst staying on the fine line
If your therapist lets you slide with that weak ass bullshit explanation, fire them immediately.
Therapists in OH are required by law to tell you the limits of confidentiality in your first session & likely have it additionally in writing. If yours didn’t, make an ethical complaint & sue them.
Your “problem” isn’t “heavy duty” for a therapist who is a trauma professional; It’s a normal 7/8 hrs a day for a them. If you don’t understand why mandated reporting is necessary my heart breaks for you.
Therapists in OH are required by law to tell you the limits of confidentiality in your first session & likely have it additionally in writing. If yours didn’t, make an ethical complaint & sue them.
They probably did do all of that, but it isn’t exactly something you internalize immediately I imagine, unless you know right away that you’re going to be talking about murderous relatives
Yeah suing his therapist is NOT what op needs to be doing here
Yeah suing the therapist is such a stupid idea here. An easy way to make things WAY worse for OP.
Dang mate you’re getting soprano claused?
Real talk. It sounds like they’re trying to help. So use their help to focus on the main problem, which is extrication from this horrible situation. They can help you navigate the many hurdles on the way to independence. It is probably possible. But will involve a lot of applications, appointments, networking, etc. You definitely need a contingency plan as well if things get too spicy quick. IE bug out bag and church basement/shelter/friendly business/friend where you can crash til you get your systems sorted.
I’d also ask them to let you know if you ever get close to that line where they have to report, if you don’t want them to. Help them play the game. They have signalled that they are willing. Work through the logistics of independence first, trauma later.
Im not mandated reporter. I wouldnt turn you up. not… Not right away. But this sounds fucked. Get the fuck out.
Any therapist or licensed professional (doctor, social workers, etc) will have to report something if it’s a credible threat to someone’s life. If your brother has homicidal ideations and makes threats, an investigation might not be terrible. Unless he literally never leaves the house and you are the only person that would know he’s ever made a threat, then your family will probably never know that you have anything to do with this. Strangers call the cops when they hear shit. If he’s loud, it could be a neighbor. Unless he’s agoraphobic, it could be anyone in your town who reported something weird.
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I agree with the other guy that said the therapist hinted heavily at what she has to report. Don’t tell her what she has to report.
Look up what is required of a mandated reporter and then decide if you can have sessions within those boundaries. It’s there to keep you safe and therapists have to protect themselves in the event something does happen. Homeless vs. hurt or dead. Might be worth asking for a reference to a social worker who can help you find a place to live. You’ve lived in this family for a long time so it seems normal to you and you love them and want to protect them, but violence is not normal and should not be tolerated for the sake of “the family”.
