I don’t know any true Christians who are MAGA or racists or even bigots. But with the commonly used definition that if someone says something is bad they automatically are seen as hating the people doing it many people arguing in communities like that would be called haters or bigots and possibly be banned here on lemmy.world. Even though most true Christians don’t like MAGA and hardline rights they might feel the need to create communities like r/TrueChristian oad r/AskAChristian on exploding-heads.com or similar servers because they might think that their opinions are tolerated there. What do you think?
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I’m all for difficult questions. I’m asking if people would be silenced and banned for stating what the Bible teaches.
I’m a Bible scholar. “What the Bible teaches” eludes most Christians. “What I think the Bible teaches based on my own historical-traditional interpretation” is fine. “How I approach the Bible, taking all known context into consideration” is even better. Whenever someone says, “the Bible teaches,” it’s a major red flag to me.
What I think the Bible teaches based on my own historical-traditional interpretation” is fine.
Whith this you are implying that you think your interpretation of the Bible is the right interpretation.
Whenever someone says, “the Bible teaches,” it’s a major red flag to me.
Is it only a red flag when others say they know what the Bible teaches or also when you say it?
By “I’m a scholar,” I mean I have an MA and 12 years of experience studying the historical contexts and literary history of the textual witnesses, and the history of conversation on cosmology and it’s influence on the history of interpretation. I know just enough to know I know very little, which is why you’ll never, ever hear me say something as ridiculous as “The Bible Teaches <insert dogmatic statement>.” Overconfidence in one’s own interpretation without all context (which none of us have) is a red flag in ANY field, let alone one so close to our limbic needs.
you’ll never, ever hear me say something as ridiculous as “The Bible Teaches
But you did exactly that, you just worded it a little differently. You implied that you know what the Bible teaches and it is quote “fine”.
I was saying the hypothetical quote would be fine. I wasn’t applying that to myself.
OK I think I now understand your comment better. I overlooked the quotes. Sorry.
As long as it’s moderated in a way that ensures it doesn’t devolve into a bunch of thinly veiled or overt jabs at the usual groups I don’t see why not. Do i have faith it will succeed? Not really
It would be concerning to me if you were persecuted for those beliefs here. I hope the community does well. (:
True Christians rings in a very bad way. You basically are begging for people to call you out for making a „no true scotsman“ falacy:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman
Also, telling people that they will be tortured for etwrnity (hell) or should be outright executed (botht things religious people have done repeatedly) is ultimately bigoted and hateful. If I keep telling you that you will burn for etirnity for who you are, that is nothing short of hate.
So, should these groups be allowed to exist? Sure, I‘m all for bad arguments being publicly shared so that they can be properly scrutinized and discussed.
Just don’t expect that people will not call you out for the hateful and bigited things your holy book advocates for.
I’d say, replace Christian with any religion and ask if you’d like to see it…
When there is one you wouldn’t like to see, like Muslim, Satanism, Wicca, Athism,… I’d take that as answer.
I’m of the opinion everything that’s legal should be possible. That’s the whole idea of free speech, that goes for everybody, no matter how much you disagree with them.
“…Satanism…”
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Personally, I think any religion should be able to practice their beliefs. In their own communities. The trouble is that most Abrahmic based religions are evangelical and feel it’s their mission to judge everyone, loudly and repeatedly, by their beliefs both in and out of their communities because to them, their religion is literally the sole truth and they don’t understand the ill feeling that generates amongst people who don’t need a god to tell them to be decent people.
Religion is as much a protected class as sexual orientation. So long as they abide by the community rules, which includes the social contract of tolerance, then they’ll be just as tolerated.
What do you understand as “tolerant”? Does it have to be always affirming? Say, I state that a certain behavior is not good. You disagree. I tolerate your opinion even though I disagree. But you state that my opinion is hateful and want it to be banned. Who of us is “tolerant”?
Do you think that a community like TrueMuslim would be welcome? What is your own attitude to having such community as neighbors?
I would be happy to argue with them.
