that erdogan even thinks his country will become part of the eu…
Frankly I’m surprised they’re even in NATO.
They’ve been in NATO since back when the US would lock you up for being gay too. Hell, Texas only removed the law banning same sex relations in 2003. And it took a supreme Court ruling to do it. Sodomy was still a crime in the US army until 2014.
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With big military and startegic position they are one of the most important countries for the alliance. Therefore they also have the cabability to start a circus like they did with Finland and especially with Sweden.
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Apparently Turkish jurisprudence operates under the same logic as my high school did in the 90s
It’s a classic Turkish move for undercover police to offer membership into the Pen 15 Club, then arrest them when they accept.
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Yes, all of them. I will never understand people targeting just Islam for shit like this while literally all abrahamic faiths have the same shit said in different ways in their holy books.
Tax these things into the ground at the very least they can contribute something of value.
Every single cult is.
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The idea all Muslims are homophobic is a dumb generalization. Call it a stigma. Corrupt police exist in Turkey, and not all of them are Muslim. The idea you’re giving that Turkish police have to be Muslim is as racist as their actions were homophobic.
Please don’t be hypocritical. I’m sure anti-theists have some level of respect for religious people.
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Mosques will never hoist a rainbow flag. It’s a core belief in Islam that homosexuality is wrong. But such a belief should never be used to justify homophobia.
homophobia /ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/ noun dislike of or prejudice against gay people
I’m not homophobic. Just not entirely accepting the idea of homosexuality. Doesn’t mean I get the right to attack people of the LGBT+ community.
Islamic countries give every person, regardless of their involvement in the LGBT community, the right to a fair trial. Corrupt police shouldn’t be the face of such law systems.
Why dont you understand the difference?
Islam is HATING on LGBT community. They dont want us among them.
LGBT is not hating on Islam. I want to live together with Islamics, but I dont want to live together with homophobic people.
You are not accepting the “idea” of homosexuality. Im accepting Islam, but Im not accepting that you dont accept the “idea” of homosexuality. BECAUSE, a society doesn’t work with people not accepting each other.
Im sorry, but you have to accept that your ideals are antique and old fashioned, I dont care what your religion says, human evolves, our minds evolves, a man being together with another man is not damaging anyone.
Im not going to accept that you dont accept the idea of homosexuality, and im going to keep fighting to keep Islam outside Europe as much as I can. Once Islam changes their ideals about homosexuality, they are more than welcome
Is vice versa so common? Lol.
Calling a religion a disease borders fascistic rhetoric.
As I said, i dont respect anyone that is attacking members of the LGBTQ+ community. You said it’s the same? No, we are not attacking, we are asking for respect. As long as you are not giving it, then we are not accepting you.
You must then be ignorant of the weaponised LGBT identity politics that is sometimes used to justify the invasion and murder of Muslim lives in the Middle East by white countries, as well as the fascist shift in Europe against Muslim immigrants.
LGBT people often participate in the rhetoric and are used as a stick for punitive policies in Europe.
Does this mean by extension all LGBT people are responsible for these crimes?
What on earth are you talking about?
I can’t think of any invasion anywhere that was caused by LGBT politics, so please cite some sources.
Search lgbtq mosque on google you lazy twat. Also I think the fact you don’t see muslims doing this that and the other says more about you than muslims. The blind prejudice in these comments makes you seem like idiots.
Have you searched it? There are only a handful IN THE WORLD, and they are constantly being vandalized by other Islamic people, at least the one in berlin
Ah, so the day you see mosques hanging lgbt flags isn’t the day you respect blah blah blah. Stop kidding yourself, face your own prejudice before you start spewing your hate. I fucking hate religion with a passion, but you know what I hate more? Racist and nationalist idiots who are blind to their own prejudice. Homophobia is as much a cancer to the world as is your shitty prejudiced world view. Don’t use other people’s prejudice to exercise your own. Fuck your hate.
Ok. Meanwhile we are discussing this on thread about a tourist that was assaulted and jailed by turkey men. Exactly the same as other attacks towards LGBTQ+ that have happened in all europe by Islamic/muslisms/middle eastern men. Exactly the same as I have been assaulted by these people in germany.
Now how many Islamic people have been attacked by members of the LGBTQ+ community? I will be waiting for your answer.
@Everyone else: Dont let these people guilty you into not wanting these homophobic people around you. Im glad to receive and accept islam, once they have purged homophobia from their roots. Unfortunately that’s not it today, and the attacks towards LGBTQ are not stopping and will keep increasing as long as we let them. Cities in Europe that were once safe spaces are not full with these homophobic people. Just some months ago, a group of Islamic attacked a trans person and he ended up in the hospital. This year and last year while I was walking towards the pride demonstration I was screamed homophobic slurs from a moving car in an area that is filled with these homophobic people. I am happy to accept islam, I will never accept homophobic islam, period.
Idiots don’t realise hate will beget hate.
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Sounds like another shit hole country I will avoid like the plague.
Any government / country entangled with religious nutjobs is to be avoided.
Including large swaths of the US. Florida is looking pretty sketch lately.
Exactly, no-one is immune. Religion is a cancer everywhere
Yes. There was a time when I. as a young man, wanted to at least visit the good ole US and A. Back then I didn’t have the money. Now when I probably could afford it, I don’t have the desire anymore.
There’s still places worth visiting. Major cities like New York, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, even Atlanta is largely insulated from the rest of Georgia’s nutjob influence.
If you’d rather be outdoors, the U.S. has some spectacular parks and wild spaces. Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Arches, the Everglades, damn near anywhere in Alaska and Hawai’i…
I classify Turkey with Iran. Don’t go there. Unfortunately my list for no-go is growing
I wouldn’t be so hasty. The middle east, including Turkey, are some of the most culturally rich places to visit. In general, the Arab people are extremely hospitable. There has been civilization in the area for thousands of years and many fascinating antiquities remain. Turkey in particular has a longstanding secular tradition that was started a hundred years ago by Kemal Ataturk, only recently eroded by the religious conservatives. I wouldn’t let a few thuggish people put you off.
I’d agree, but given that those few thuggish people in the Middle East seem to be setting policy that includes beating people for looking gay all the way up to beheadings, it might be beast to avoid it for now.
I don’t think it makes sense to go anywhere completely whimsically. Times change and caution is prudent. Nobody is taking the silk road through Afghanistan any more but it was once a popular route, for example. However, I believe in the goodness of people. Most people just wanna be happy, kindness and respect goes a long way.
True, most people are willing to live and let live, but a lot of places have people where you won’t know what you’re dealing with until its too late. And I’m not even talking about the middle east specifically.
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The problem is the thuggish people seem to be in charge these days. The people I met in Turkey when I visited long ago were indeed kind though.
We have Turkish people where I live. I don’t need to go to a place that does that sorta thing.
Is France on that list too then? They tear gas people for having a contrary opinion to the state after all.
France is immune to that list, because I live there :/
Le Whataboutism
Is that web reliable? Can people go 20 days without sleeping? Simple Google search says record is 11 days. And he worries about detainees? Not gays? And yeah, the web description is “unbiased, well researched, independent news.” You know they are bad when they do those kind of claims. Just criticizing the website, not the story. Commenting because that’s how I’m doing my part. ><
You are correct. The title is misleading.
*He was detained for participating in an “eventful” Pride march.
*On the bus, some “Chechens” said he “looked like a gay."
According to him.
Berlin-based ArtıGerçek (the original, Turkish-language version of GercekNews) is a sensational-yet-prominent left-liberal Turkish-language newsletter. “GercekNews” is much more fresh and novice, uses an outdated UI of artigercek.com
Every Pride Month this kinda shits happens in here.Sorry for the guy.
Why would anyone straight have a problem with anyone being gay? Are they all in the closet and think that what they feel is what everyone feels, and somehow the fault of gay people?
I didn’t get it until I started getting serious about weight loss (doing well btw :)) you develop a raw anger at people eating food that you can’t enjoy. Of course I don’t say anything. It’s like that expression
If you are a liberal vegetarian you do not eat meat
If you are a conservative vegetarian no one gets to eat meat except for you.
I think a mix of religion and being brought up with old-school morality. I’m a conservative who has no problems with homosexuals, in fact HIV/AIDS is one of the causes I really get behind because the history of it fascinates me (currently reading And The Band Played On, it’s great).
Whenever I see homophobia or erroneous beliefs about them I try and correct them when I can.
Why would you even go to that shithole?
Years ago a friend’s rock band was touring Europe and they landed a show at a club in Turkey About a month before the show the owner of the bar sent an email to the booking agent that said “We don’t allow fags in our bar, Show canceled” The band had a video with a drag queen in it.
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Ah, yes, that’s definitely English
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I heard Turkey is a very restriced country
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The title is misleading.
*He was detained for participating in an “eventful” Pride march.
*On the bus, Chechens said he “looked like a gay”.
According to him.
EDIT: I did not claim that Turkish people are not homophobic. I did not minimize the injustice suffered by the Portuguese man. Why are you downvoting this?
It stated that he was arrested just for “looking” gay. I had to read way too far into the article to clarify that the police suspicions were actually correct.
He claims he didn’t participate.
So do we believe the people who lock people up for being gay or the gay dude thrown in prison for 20 days for looking gay?
Turkey doesn’t lock people up for being gay. Homosexuality was never criminalised. Public displays of affection are another issue but just being gay, no.
That doesn’t line up with a single person’s version of the story.
He says he was locked up for looking gay, Turkey claims they locked him up for being at a pride event.
Neither of those are public displays of affection.
Bootlicker
Just because someone is gay or got called gay doesn’t mean that they’ve been arrested for being gay. Laws surrounding demonstrations are illiberal enough on their own to result in getting locked up.
Another country that should never have been allowed into the EU. Fucking dipshits went from a secular nation to a religious hellhole.
Turkey is luckily not in the EU. Recently they tried to use their veto power in NATO to block Sweden’s entry unless they’re allowed to begin the process of joining the EU but that got shut down real quick.
