This is literally just the r/nyt subreddit about The New York Times.

Given he apparently takes inspiration from Elon Musk, it’s only a matter of time until u/spez starts adding post view limits unless you pay extra.

  • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
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    This is why the weekend DDoS attacks and frontpage vandalism don’t really concern me. With spez and Musk burning their services to the ground, we’re (along with other competitors, we’re not the only one) going to get a steady influx pressure for the coming months or even years. Shutting us partly down for a few hours every weekend does nothing in the face of this much stronger phenomenon. Whoever is doing it is basically pissing into the wind.

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      Kinda good since devs getting their systems stress tests while service is still young and alpha testers don’t bitch about minor inconvience unlike Normie’s stream…

      This FrEe SerVIcE MusT JUst WurK, Rheee

      • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
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        Agreed. This is very uncomfortable for us, but we’re going to come out much stronger for it.

        Imagine the alternative–the devs just skipping through imaginary meadows, adding pleasant little features and taking their time, while the userbase grew and grew, and then we experienced a very major breach of trust and security.

        That could’ve theoretically killed us. Now it won’t happen. Everyone is staring at their code and thinking “yep, security is important, that’s true…”

        • @AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world
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          Future incidents probably will still happen, but when you develop in the open it’s much easier for people to trust you when you talk about incident response and mitigation, because they can see what’s happening out in the open. In contrast, nobody trusts Reddit to do what they say.

    • @rwhitisissle@lemmy.world
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      spez and Musk burning their services to the ground

      Realistically, reddit will be fine. The percentage of users that solely used the 3rd party apps to view and comment was relatively small. Some power users might leave. Some mods might leave. But reddit doesn’t really care about those, since they can just spawn their own army of repost bots and farm clicks from people who have only ever used the website via the official app and who have grown accustomed to being inundated with unblockable advertisements. Twitter seems to be doing a lot worse, though. But I don’t have statistics to prove how well or poorly any particular website is doing.

      • @whatsarefoogee@lemmy.world
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        112 years ago

        The percentage of users that solely used the 3rd party apps to view and comment was relatively small.

        Reddit doesnt produce any content itself, so viewing and commenting in general isn’t particularly important. What matters more are valuable contributions. I would posit that 3rd party app users provided disproportionately more valuable content than the official app users.

        There is already an army of repost bots which aren’t going away. The bots don’t care about the health of the platform, so we can assume they are at maximum repost saturation.

        And reposts still require new content generation to make reposts. You can’t repost the same stale content perpetually.

        I don’t think reddit is going to just die. But it’s popularity and userbase can dwindle over time. Tumblr still exists, but it’s a shell of its former self.

        • @rwhitisissle@lemmy.world
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          Reddit doesnt produce any content itself, so viewing and commenting in general isn’t particularly important. What matters more are valuable contributions.

          What even constitutes value in this case, though? And if viewing isn’t important, then why have “valuable contributions” at all? The purpose of reddit is to sell advertising space. They leverage the website’s audience for this purpose. Reddit’s users are the product being sold. The content is how they draw in users.

          There is already an army of repost bots which aren’t going away. The bots don’t care about the health of the platform, so we can assume they are at maximum repost saturation.

          We really can’t assume that, though. Also, “maximum repost saturation” would, by definition, be literally all content submitted via repost bots. They’re not there yet. Not by a long shot. But the share of posts submitted via automated means is definitely climbing.

          And reposts still require new content generation to make reposts. You can’t repost the same stale content perpetually.

          A huge portion of reddit’s content links externally. It’s literally a link aggregator. It’s not difficult to have a system that aggregates links and website headings, dumps that into a database, and then a bot parses out new entries and builds submissions from those based on some arbitrary set of metrics. The content is still generated, but it’s generated externally and then consumed by the system.

          But it’s popularity and userbase can dwindle over time. Tumblr still exists, but it’s a shell of its former self.

          The Tumblr situation is complicated. Yahoo, the company that owned Tumblr at the time, outright banned all pornography on Tumblr because the site had a pretty bad CP problem, which they couldn’t think of a better way to handle. This was at a time where porn was integral to Tumblr’s ecosystem, far more so than it is, or arguably has been, for reddit’s. Reddit has also done the much more intelligent and careful thing of slowly squeezing out adult content from the website in order to appeal to advertisers. It’s been happening for literally years, coinciding with a not incidental decrease in average user age. Reddit ownership seems a lot more aware of the website’s value proposition and is careful not to make overwhelmingly drastic changes to how it operates. Yes, quality is decreasing, but it’s like boiling a frog. Quality has always been decreasing, and if that’s the case, it’s hard to notice because it’s always been happening.

      • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
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        It’s not the past actions that will slowly strangle reddit, but the future ones. It will certainly be there, these things tend to stick around far, far longer after they’ve turned into shambling zombies of formerly-good content. But it’ll become a revolving door running on reputation more than any kind of quality product.

        Obviously in our free world, people are free to enjoy the garbage and some will. But it creates an opportunity for others in the market, like us, to make a quality spot again, and pull users with that.

        • @rwhitisissle@lemmy.world
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          It’s not the past actions that will slowly strangle reddit, but the future ones. It will certainly be there, these things tend to stick around far, far longer after they’ve turned into shambling zombies of formerly-good content. But it’ll become a revolving door running on reputation more than any kind of quality product.

          Man, we don’t live in the age of quality products anymore, if we ever actually did. Cable television was one of the most successful industries for decades. Almost everything produced for it is cultural ephemera, meant to be consumed in the moment but discarded from memory immediately after. Look at how many fucking seasons of Survivor there are. Perhaps it’s in human nature to crave things that entertain in the moment but leave no lasting impression. I can’t say. But I can say that reddit’s been like that for a long time now. Maybe at one point it wasn’t, but they seem to believe that it’s more successful the shallower the level of engagement. And they’re probably right. Reddit will continue to make itself more palatable to corporate advertisers as the internet is slowly reinvented as “Television 2.0” and it continues its trend of being purely a glorified water cooler to post whatever inane reaction you have to whatever the current social media controversy or celebrity scandal occurred that week. What worries me is that people think companies can’t behave like this and profit, when history indicates the opposite, or that websites like Lemmy are immune from the possibility of just becoming equally banal, worthless places, just ran on donations instead of advertising dollars.

          • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
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            History is no longer a very good tool when it comes to analyzing the tech space. It simply moves too quickly, everything that happens is unprecedented in its combination of specific mechanism and social circumstances.

            But we’ll see I suppose.

            • @rwhitisissle@lemmy.world
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              It used to move quickly. We’re not in the wild west of social media anymore. That was the period from around 2006 to 20016. There’s a handful of huge corporations in the social media tech space that “won the war,” so to speak. What’s the most recent shakeup? Tumblr died because Yahoo decided porn was too dangerous to keep around. Call that one a nail in the coffin of the once mighty Silicon Valley giant and original search engine. But as for new social media sites, the most recent one is TikTok, and that one has been around for years at this point. Lemmy, Mastodon, Threads, etc. are just reinventions of existing architectures. There’s nothing new, really. Just people trying to recapture the appeal of already existing websites. The internet is slowing down, hardening into forms that will potentially last the rest of the century, like what happened with television and radio.

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                New does not need to be exclusively technical, if that was necessary, very little would really be worth calling new tbf. The situation the technology finds itself in, at that moment, is imo a far bigger factor than any details of the tech itself. The social, economic, political and business environments, each matter more than actual technical nature of any tech, which is irrelevant to most people. What makes our situation particularly unique is the large influx of free users we get.

      • @lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee
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        It took me a minute to acclimate to Lemmy and I tried browsing via the official app while I did so. Let me tell you, it was awful. I got over reddit about 2 days after RIF was gone.

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      I completely agree. I hope Lemmy will steadily add features.

  • @dhork@lemmy.world
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    No wonder King Steven was so incensed when the Landed Gentry cut off access to the site from commoners; it’s a privilege he reserves as a Royal Prerogative…

  • @hrxbfrnuructdny@lemmy.world
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    I’m now only on lemmy and YouTube. Never got into tictok or Facebook, left and deleted reddit and Twitter. I’m in a happy place.

  • @nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world
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    I called this happening right when Spez said he wanted to emulate elon. The other shoe has dropped

    I assume eventually all subreddits will be locked to non registered users on mobile…and PC

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      Yeah. Users who can stomach it should be sneaking back and pointing more refugees to Lemmy. Honestly it should be bots being like “If you like r/pics stay here BUT if you like r/pics and hate Reddit’s policies? Try c/pics@lemmy.world” and just have the bot script for communities the fediverse has equivalents for. We’re growing still but it’s not like I’m seeing much Lemmy mentions in the discussion threads yet. That ship is sinking though.

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        ”…I’m not seeing much Lemmy mentions….”

        This is working as intended as Reddit is actively suppressing and shadowbanning any comment or post that mentions Lemmy or hyperlinks

        • @lemme_at_it@lemmy.world
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          F /u/spez is only following Twitter who’ve already banned user profiles & comments from containing links to Mastadon, Post, Instagram & others.

        • @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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          Yeah, it should be obvious that you won’t have much success using Reddit as a platform to direct users away from Reddit. They’ve made it pretty clear by now that they aren’t free or open. Makes me wonder what other topics they’ve done this more subtlety for, or will do in the future.

          If you want to direct people to Reddit alternatives, you’ll probably have the most luck on platforms that aren’t Reddit.

          Though I do wonder if Twitter and the meta platforms will also block it, since they are competing with the fediverse as well (though meta in a EEE kinda sense, so they’d need to walk a finer line since they are supposed to be embracing right now).

          YouTube might be a place to do it.

    • @paf0@lemmy.world
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      Isn’t the stated reason to prevent AI scraping? As much as I dislike them both, given how these LLMs like ChatGPT work it actually seems reasonable.

      • (des)mosthenes
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        eh I feel that excuse is bullshit - a scrape is the same as a web view. ai doesn’t need to scan the same content more than once. reeks of b/s to me

        • @paf0@lemmy.world
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          The content continues to change. When I have a specific programming question they don’t help me figure things out based on the documentation alone. Seeing discussion about such topics definitely helps it as knowledge continues to evolve.

  • @nucleative@lemmy.world
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    Looks like more efforts to sanitize the place in prep for an ipo.

    The execs are almost certainly ready to cash out and retire from that annoying gig 🤣

    But just wait until a wallst level CEO gets hold of the reigns.

  • @qwed113@lemmy.world
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    I wish there was a way to accelerate widespread adoption of Lemmy.

    Reddit has been awesome, but the community deserves a decentralized platform free from bullshit like this.

    • XIIIesq
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      It’s probably for the benefit of Lemmy that the grow is slow, it gives the servers plenty of time to upgrade. It’s already been struggling somewhat with the influx of new users, it may have become totally unusable with 100x, 1000x the user’s etc.

      Be patient.

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      I find the size quite pleasing. Sure there are more posts and stuff to see, but here it’s possible to actually have a conversation with someone and not have your comment buried in 3k other comments.

      But that being said, I would like to see Reddit crash and burn, so business practices like that doesn’t become more common.

      And you are right - decentralisation is the future.

    • Funwayguy
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      Yep. There is a metric fuckton of tampering across the board, some of which is sub specific.

      It’s the same kind of things they pulled with WatchRedditDie a long time ago but now it’s site wide with little to no subtlety. The rules are imaginary and meaningless, more so than they already were.

      • @khajimak@lemmy.world
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        WatchRedditDie was an alt right shithole full of hate that needed to go. I clicked a link there once and it was nothing but trump supporters pissing and whining that trans people and women exist.

        • Funwayguy
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          Oh absolutely. I just use it as an example because it’s one of only a few heavily restricted subs that hasn’t yet been purged by admins.

      • deweydecibel
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        Turned?

        Buddy, that fire was lit years ago. All that happened was Steve threw a gascan in

  • @grape54321@lemmy.world
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    reddit and twitter are literally competing to see who can destroy their platform first and unfortunately they’re both winning

  • Really trying to force people to install and browse with the app. I’ll never do it.

    Never installed the Facebook app either. Just too much data harvesting, too invasive.

    Deleted Facebook, deleted reddit, deleted Twitter. Never looked back.

    • @HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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      Honestly I’m amazed. Old Reddit is still functionally unchanged over the past several years and honestly a great experience. And Reddit must know exactly how many people are using it because they’re visiting an alternate domain.

      Can’t imagine it has much longer…

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          You can use it on mobile by using Firefox Nightly, enabling the add-ons collection workaround, and installing the old.reddit redirect addon (and uBlock).

          Granted, browsing old.reddit on a mobile screen is not a great experience but it’s leagues better than the alternative.

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            At that point I’m more comfortable on Lemmy instead of bending over backwards to accommodate for shitty Reddit UI anymore. I used to use old reddit but that was when I actually had time to waste in highschool pretending to do work on the school computers, now I have a newborn and would never scroll on my PC to just browse Reddit, or any social media for that matter…

      • @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
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        Weeks maybe a month before old reddit goes away. Reddit has to as it loses them advertising money and those that use it are those Reddit dislike.

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        It’s only a great experience for some. The vast majority of people, attention, eyeballs, and money go to things like tiktok and Instagram.