Seems like hard-core hate for anyone religious is fine in many circles. Is there a point where it becomes as problematic as other forms of bigotry? Not any specific religion necessarily just the disdain for the religious in general.
Like immediately, by definition
When they stop legislating their doctrine.
In the US or in general? Both is reasonable as well I guess.
I just think hate is generally an unproductive feeling regardless of who it’s towards. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to claim that I’m perfect and never find myself feeling it, I just try to avoid it.
That’s honest
I think this is a great question because it absolutely gets the point. The enemy is the system, not the people. This informs you both who and how you fight back. So when someone is saying something bigoted for religious reasons, the problem isn’t necessarily that particular person, but the religious system that brainwashed them. In fact, it was a specific flavor of that religious system.
I think a more clear distinction can be found in feminism. Feminism isn’t about fighting men, but fighting patriarchy. So, sure, there are men who are dickhead misogynists, but they are also potential allies that are also hurt by patriarchy. It’s the system and those who specifically aim to perpetuate said system. Social philosophers tend to point to systems rather than people constantly, because it’s so common for people to point out symptoms rather than the cause. So when we know to identify patriarchy rather than misogynists, yeah, we’ll still call out misogynist men for sure, but also women that perpetuate patriarchy.
So if I’m blaming the system rather than the person, maybe I’m recognizing the religious person’s commitment to truth and appealing to that rather than labeling them the enemy and writing them off completely. I think something that gets lost in all the polarizing bullshit as of recent is recognizing that a great way to make another bigot not exist is to persuade them to not be a bigot anymore. The enemy isn’t people, it’s the fucking system. Like the great poets have said: “Don’t blame it on the Needy, don’t blame it on the Poor, don’t blame it on the Jew, blame it on the system. Blame it on the fucking system.”
Interesting and well thought out reply, thank you.
Nothing good comes from hate. Hate is an emotion, and when you’re emotional, you cannot fix or improve things.
Hate is the beginning.
I decided I don’t mind if people are religious, there’s a lot of religious people who I’d rather be allies with than enemies
If they are against fascism we have something in common
That’s reasonable. Enemy of my enemy and all that jazz.
Hate.
Hard core hate.
Hard core hate for anyone religious.
I am sure individuals who have this hate in them, and there are circles where strong disrespect for anyone religious is tolerated, but this? No. And “many” circles?
I’m sorry but I do not believe the premise for the question to be real.
Wrote the question based on some comments I’d seen on lemmy, reddit and conversations with friends. If you don’t think many people believe hating someone based on their religion is morally correct, you should read some of the comments in this thread. It started with a long conversation with a close friend of mine. He considers himself an atheist and views religion and religious people as the root of most major evils in the world. I think its a reasonable premise based on my lived experience. Just curious what other people think.
If you’re still taking supernatural campfire stories with you into adulthood, I view you as a child and, well, children should be seen and not heard.
Yeah that’s pretty much what I’ve gathered from this thread and conversations I’ve had. Both sides see themselves as morally and intellectually superior. I don’t see much willing cohesion being possible on the extreme sides of either. Luckily the majority of people seem to fall in the middle.
If it improves your moral responsibility and helps you be kind and accepting, I’m all for it. But lording over others with “God’s plan” or whatever is just social engineering for dominator culture. That’s not very wuwei of them.
children should be seen and not heard.
Bruh, wtf
“Bruh”? Take a seat, kiddo.
Says the person that sounds like they beat their kids
Swing again; you missed. There are more ways to get through to people than violence. That’s why I don’t practice religion.
Swing again; you missed.
After all that practice you had on your kids? Oof, that must be embarrassing
It becomes bigotry when you are unwilling to change your mind, or when you hate people of that religion for that reason alone.
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Solid
