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Still better than Trump smearing the blood of dead Palestinian civilians all over his face as a cheap replacement for his normal clown makeup
Comparing the height of an ant to the width of a hair becomes rather meaningless when you’re trying to get through the second-storey window of a burning building. What you have given is the lowest possible bar, as the person they’re supposedly better than is actively suborning genocide.
While the US directly supplies weapons, funding, and openly encourages escalation against Palestine, while we threaten and extort these countries from recognizing Palestinian statehood, you claim no discernable difference between these two stances. Maybe a timeless god would see things your way but here in this shitty reality this is about as stark as the contrast gets outside of the Middle East.
“There is no difference between any two things, you imbecile, you simple rube” is a very popular position that allows you to both appear smarter than everyone and also never change your mental state on anything
All of the ones in this cartoon are still sending weapons to Israel and the UK specifically is still flying surveillance flights over Gaza and giving the info to Israel as well as arresting old ladies as Terrorist Supporters when they demonstrate against this Genocide.
This action of theirs now is 100% performative and not just has zero effective impact on the suffering of Palestinians but possibly even has negative impact if it reduces the pressure of the Public Opinion in those countries to stop Israel and thus delays actual effective and meaningful action.
Some of the nations in this, most noteably the Brits have a policy towards the Israeli Genocide which is basically the US plus an extra thick layer of hypocrisy.
Don’t confuse the difference in façades for a difference in intention.
I don’t disagree that there is a difference, but setting the bar at “isn’t actively saying, with public, official statements, that they support the extermination of the native population of Palestine” is just too low a bar for me. As I’ve said in another comment here, from my perspective, this is nothing but a bunch of bullies who’ve been kicking some kid, and now that one of the bullies has clearly done permanent damage, they’re all saying “hey bro, it’s just a joke, bro, are you okay, bro?” Not even trying to stop the other two bullies who are still actively curb-stomping the kid.
As the comic implies, it just seems like a publicity stunt, because doing this now doesn’t appear to have any actual value any longer, because I don’t see how recognising a government-in-exile is going to meaningfully help any part of the plight of the Palestinian people. This just seems like a pragmatic thing that they think will drum up public support, while not requiring them to actually do anything, because they know that any actual enforcement of international law against the war criminals would require the US’ cooperation, so they’re “safe” to make these too-little-too-late declarations of “support”.
They figure the job’s close enough to done that they can flip to the “right side of history” without affecting the outcome
Clearly, it would be better if they didn’t do anything, right?
I get that this seems positive, and it could be, unless the thing they’re doing is purely performative, actively distracting from any steps they are still taking to support the genocide, since this is nothing but words. There are many explanations already here about how there is no actual meaningful action here, and that at this juncture, this move is, at best, a net neutral with no meaningful effect on the genocide and, at worst, a net negative, serving only to distract and pacify welling criticism of these governments for their complicity in the continuing genocide while the band plays on.
Politicians from those countries are under enormous Public Opinion pressure to “do something” to Stop Israel (for example, in Britain 500 THOUSAND people demonstrated against the Genocide).
So the politicians in power do the most innefective “something” imaginable.
The simplest most surperficial reading of this is: see, they did “something” and even if small “it’s a step forward” - you see a lot of posters here doing that reading.
An analysis with even just the tiniest bit of depth yields the possibility that, by choosing to do the least effective thing they could do now, they’re diffusing some of that Public Opinion pressure thus delaying the time when the pressure is so big they have to do something that actually hurts Israel, like Sanctions.
If that is the case, then this action is in fact negative rather than merely meaningless or “a small step forward”, because it gives Israel more time to exterminate Palestinians and steal more of their land - it means more deaths rather than fewer and a worse future (as more of them get dispossessed) rather than a better one.
Given that all these countries are still sending weapons to Israel, and the UK - which was the initiator of all this - is even running surveillance flights over Gaza and giving the info to Israel, it seems to me that the “it’s a delaying action to give room for Israel to take their Final Solution further” explanation is far more likely than the idea that this is being done with a genuine intent of helping Palestinians.
Exactly. As someone from the UK, I find it nothing more than placating to public pressure, but don’t get it twisted we are still selling them weapons and running recon flights for Israel to then murder people.
Can’t they just nuke Israel?
That would count as doing something
Better than refusing to recognize Palestine.
Not in the eyes of a lot of people on Lemmy.
Some people will complain they’re catching flak for doing the right thing. That’s why nobody does it etc.
But that’s the point. If you’re really honest with yourself you take your licks and own up for what you did wrong. People are gonna give you a hard time for it.
The alternative is not doing it.
Seems like whether anyone does it or not, its all wrong.
It’s setting the stage. It doesn’t do much on it’s own but if you recognize them as a state rather than just some people it gives leverage to use more diplomatic tools.
How much difference will it actually make? No idea.
Why is France written in Comic Sans?
Because OOP intended these to be sets of 2 hands therefore 1 country per two. OP added France.
“Out, damned spot! … What, will these hands ne’er be clean?”
What’s with the arm for France? It’s clearly labeled in a different way than everything else in the picture.
Hmm, good point. Odd.
It’s been clearly photoshopped. There was something else instead of France. You should really respect the original author’s work
Would people prefer no recognition?
They would prefer an end to the genocide. Telling someone “they exist” doesn’t stop their execution.
So do you mean by that that no preference on whether Palestine is recognized?
They are mutually exclusive. If someone is telling you to stop someone stabbing them, if you’re response is to finish their passport application that doesn’t solve much
They would prefer those recognized that Israel is committing genocide.
Right but between recognizing Palestine or not recognizing Palestine, wouldn’t recognizing it be better?
If it stops the genocide, sure. If it distracts everyone from the fact that they’re still supporting a nation doing genocide then nah.
What do you feel it does?
It’s been one day. So far it’s done nothing. I’m gonna give it maybe a month, but if these countries’ aid to Israel doesn’t stop by then, I’ll know it was an empty gesture. I’m not going to consider this a job well done unless they give me reason to. I’m not really in the habit of giving nations the benefit of the doubt.
I was more wondering why people don’t consider this better than nothing. Imo this is at worst an empty gesture.
From my first comment:
If it distracts everyone from the fact that they’re still supporting a nation doing genocide then nah.
If it’s a distraction or an attempt to placate people and get them to stop caring about genocide in Palestine, it’s worse than an empty gesture.
I want to believe it’s better than nothing, but I won’t let myself do that until these countries prove themselves.
The issue is that its the absolute minimum they could do, while still selling them weapons and running recon. I mean, its not that hard. We all know what genocide looks like. We have parades every year for the men and women who fought against those who would and did do genocide on others. But for reason we are sitting and watching it happen again, and again, and being like “nah, it’ll be fine.”. But 25000 dead kids later, and its not fine. Its pretty fucking far from fine.
And all of this for what? So some utter cunt in Israel and his nazi cronies can hold on to power? We are supposed to be better than that. We might not be perfect, we might have our own issues that need serious work. But propping up a fucking nazi regime, while actively does genocide in full view of the world?
Absolute zero balls on any world leaders today. There all absolute pussies, who cant even say the simple truth we all know. Disgusting.
Let’s recognize Mare Imbrium next, looks about the same now.
I think people are glossing over the underlying act of defiance that this recognition also implies. These countries are also saying ‘we are starting to break the lockstep with the US’ and that is just as significant.
Recognition of a Palestinian state can only be meaningful if it includes a 2 state solution where Palestine and Israel swap their current claims to land and infrastructure.
Better than Denmark waiting for: All the hostages returned, Hamas completely out of power, and all weapons gone from Palestinians. I.e. for the genocide to be completed.
