So according to the ethics of veganism it’s about valuing sentient life and animal consent.

So I pose a few questions.

  1. Is it justified to buy animal based dog and cat food?

  2. Is it justifiable to force a dog or cat to be vegan?

If 1 is justifiable then the claim that it’s unethical for humans to eat meat is untrue since feeding your pets meat requires more animals to be raised for slaughter.

If 2 is true then it violates animal consent because there are zero dogs or cats that prefer vegan food to meat and infact are naturally omnivorous in the case of dogs or pure carnivores in the case of cats.

So the logical conclusion would be owning meat eating pets in impossible while being vegan.

Then it leads to the ethics of what happened to the breeds of cats and dogs no longer able to be pets.

    • Jim EastEnglish
      3•20 days ago

      Pretty much this. Don’t own other beings as property. Don’t instigate violence against peaceful beings. Do not attempt to restrict the freedom of other beings. It really is that simple.

        • Jim EastEnglish
          3•20 days ago

          I agree. Peaceful cohabitation without domination can work quite well. I don’t even know how many animals share this house, but it’s probably hundreds at least. If they don’t bother me, I don’t bother them. It’s only when the cohabitation is involuntary/non-consensual or when someone tries to control others by force or coercion that it becomes a problem.

  • VeganPizza69 ⓋMEnglish
    1•18 days ago

    1. “Owning” pets isn’t vegan. Hosting rescued animals, sure.

    2. If you kill a pig to feed a cat, it’s like a “zero-sum game”. This means that you need a secondary criteria to make the decision, if you don’t want to play favorites (make a biased decision over who lives). This is the bloody chaos created by animal breeders.

    In this situation, you are the “death panel”. Just ask people who work in animal shelters how they make the decisions, that may be a better guide than rolling dice or flipping a coin.

    Like with other domestic animals who’ve been genetically sabotaged by humans, the goal is their extinction. “Pets” also include exotic animals, in which case sanctuaries and returning them to the wild are worthy goals.

    Dogs can make it, cats are an issue and it would be good to have some of that non-animal-based “lab meat” for cats. And people who want these non-human animals to be like fitness models - pictures of ideal health or “platonic forms” of pets - are not serious people, they live in privileged fantasies and should be ignored.

  • Jim EastEnglish
    0•20 days ago

    These are important questions that not enough people are asking. See my other comment, but basically, I agree with your conclusion.