I really have it with those old white men.
Why can’t you just shut up if you are incapable of adjusting your world view to the 21st century?
As an old white man, I completely agree. It’s not always easy to change old habits, but people’s refusal to even try is infuriating.
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If you don’t respect my trans homies, I’m gonna identify as a problem.
Say that where people can, cowardly bigot.
Can we not just have gender neutral bathrooms and changing rooms and be done with it?
“But what about MtF people going into sports?” Just put a fucking asterisk by their name on the leader boards.
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Its so tiring of people trying to patch problems with “gendered bathrooms”, “train cars only for women”, “women parking lots” rather than actually solving real problems. These band aids should be a temporary solutions at best but here we are - argueing about gendered bathrooms in 2025.
The worst when people try to spin these as some sort of innovation. Especially for gendered train cars here in Japan was such a huge thing and I couldn’t help but eye roll when instead of addressing perverts they just herd women into protected pens and put camera noise default on every smartphone that take 10 minutes to disable by actual criminals.
train cars only for women
Good thing nobody can actually suggest that in this day and age. Because that’s a concept that makes everyone immediately go “Ooooh, how delightfully 1800s. Wait, why are we doing this, I thought we were better than that.”
…If someone actually suggests that, have them be detained by a few chimney sweeps until the police arrives by horse carriage.
nah that’s just you guys americans. This suggestion is still widely considered in most places. The problem is that it turns from a temporary patch to a “solution”.
Shopping mall next to me just added a parking floor for women only instead of hiring more security guards which here Thailand are incredibly cheap and honestly a real joy to have around. In the west people would say “it’s a pointless job” but having someone maintain order and vibe of a place is much more effective and important than girl trains.
There are just so many of these populist examples that people have their brains hijacked by. Once you start paying attention you just can’t wait for AI overlords to take over cause we’re really not good at this.
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You put the handwashing station in an open area, visible to the hallway.
You put floor to cieling stalls for the actual doing your business part.
I have been to a lot of places that do this and nobody cares. It is an added level of safety that you are either in private or visible to passers by.
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I just visited a high school that does exactly this, and no one cares.
In fact they like it better.
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There will always be somebody who doesn’t like something. But you normalize things and then people adapt.
They like it better because they feel it is more private.
Nobody cares about washing their hands or fixing thier hair or whatever in front of others, and the appreciate that when they are doing the business part their is a completely private space.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.
Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you’re not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don’t have to use it.
Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.
That’s weird cuz most of them do it at home.
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Are you implying that in public restrooms people share the same stall?
Also the strangers thing ain’t exactly solved by having one gender bathroom is it? So that seems like a moot point to me.
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In the scenario I described to you trans people are much more comfortable than have 2 sex bathrooms.
A single sex bathroom means there is no choice that need to be made. They do not have to present as anything, nor be judged as anything. It is simply a person in a public room, and a private room for the private time.
It also means (as I described it) the sharing of the hand washing mirror facilities are barely different than being in the hallway. Do people share hallways? Of course. So this open to the public space adds a level of protection.
Then for the private space it is single use. One person.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
Because they’re just moving the goalposts until you “slip” and say something that confirms their biases against you. Being “right” is never the goal.
They can always stay home
I don’t believe Keir Starmer is Labour. Fight me.
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Old man shouldn’t get a say in what a woman is.
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What an absolute coward. Bowing down to the USA because Trump told him to. Fucking coward.
Guess my Canadian trans ass is boycotting the UK now too. It’s been a long time coming anyway, Terf Island.
(Sorry Scotland, you’re cool but also in a toxic relationship I can’t be around right now. I hope we can be friends again some day)
Remeber how when there was a fight for gay marriage a good portion of people said they didnt mind the legal concept and just wanted to call it “civil unions” and we totally did that as a first step to placate those people before going full on equal marriage…
I wonder why the approach to trans rights has been so all or nothing with people It seems like there is no real desire for progress from eithet side the way things stand now.
Well, that whole civil union thing didn’t really work out so well and those same people were still (and are still) homophobic to the extreme so why give them anything? They are clearly not interested in compromises anyway.
And why the fuck is there a compromise position at all? Bigots don’t have a right to discriminate against people. If they don’t want to get on board they can fuck off.
What happens when that attitude ends up creating more biggots and we find ourselves even more outnumbered. I dont know what the best solution is but surely its not to alienate a full third of the entire population and expect that to work out well for everyone.
On a personal one to one level i do agree they can fuck off. But from an observing the reality of living in a country that just elected a fascist, im worried all the demanding people accept things they disagree with lest they be shunned, its just going to lead to more pushback against trans and other vulnerable people.
I dont know what the best solution is but surely its not to alienate a full third of the entire population and expect that to work out well for everyone
A full third of the population is already alienated. It’s not working well for anyone. I’m simply saying we should leave a full third behind in the dust if they don’t want to give up bigotry. These people are not helpless, they know that they’re wrong, and they’re doing this shit anyway. Compromising with them is exactly why we elected a fascist.
And to be clear, conservatives drove this, they had a million opportunities to turn around, and refused every time. I’m not the one who brought us here.
Again i agree with this 100% on a personal level, my concern is just that it seems like that third is growing and the other side is shrinking due to increasing in fighting. Im not really sure what the solution for that is, i just think its a bad trend and leads to more hostility.
How didnt it work out? It lead to eventually getting marriage equality world wide, in large part because those first states tried to do civil unions.
By your logic, when they freed the slaves, they really should’ve done it slowly instead of all at once, because look how many racists it made!
Or was civil rights too fast as well?
Im not sure you have my logic correct… Im not saying we should do things slower, im saying its concerning how black or white everything has gotten, everyone has purity tests and if you dont pass you arent worth engaging with and im concerned that will have a lot of negative consequences and lead to increased hostility.
I am sharing an observation, not suggesting a solution. I am saying the way things are is concering and while i hope for a positive outcome (one where people are accepted for who they are) i see a lot more pushback than acceptance with the current strategy/mindset.
True but in this case his office was just referencing a court ruling
Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth? I never saw my mother and sister having to prove or defend the point that they are women.
Well, regardless of my standpoint, I might not like what you have to say but I will for sure fight for your right to say it. Same goes for everyone.
Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth?
It’s unclear, and quite important, who you mean by “they” here.
The ones who try to pass something that’s not a common sense as a common sense.
And I’m still not sure whether you mean the “your gender is the sex you’re born with” people or the “trans women are women” people.
Yes - that’s what I mean.
I never saw my mother and sister having to prove or defend the point that they are women.
Is anybody saying that they aren’t?
Of course not. This would be like pointing your finger to a red colour and saying that it’s not red.
And yet, if enough people did that, you would start to question your own eyes.
If you spent more than five minutes looking into this you’d understand that there’s a whole lot more to it than presentation. Some people are born intersex. Some biological women are born with two xx chromosomes. Some biological men are born with xy chromosomes. Etc etc. It’s nice that your mom and sister have it all clear. A good portion of humanity has to fight to explain their place every day
I personally believe in a traditional binary understanding of gender based on biological sex, but I am acknowledging that others may have different perspectives based on their beliefs. That’s ok.
Well, that’s cool and all but you haven’t addressed anything I wrote.
What does
“traditional binary understanding of gender based on biological sex”
do to explain individuals that are born intersex? Or with chromosome xx but female biological sex organs? Etc etc.
Please address what I actually wrote.
We haven’t even began to discuss concepts such as gender. We haven’t moved past fifth grade biology in this conversation yet.
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That’s only if they choose not to get bottom surgery.
