I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won’t kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance
It’s all just bots masturbating other bots over there.
30 years ago I expected this, but thought it was going to be sexier.
The future fucking blows.
The future fucking blows.
Based on your comment that’s exactly what it’s not doing lol
Loving the reddit hate train here but to answer your question, there doesn’t appear to be any non aqua toxic rose fragrances. Even rose water can be aqua toxic. This is due to the fact that geraniol (the compound primarily responsible for a roses’ scent) is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Have you considered other light, floral scents OP?
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.
/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent !soapmaking@sh.itjust.works but it doesn’t look very active.
The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.
I’ve always struggled with Reddit’s arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don’t really post there anymore, just lurk.
Probably worth sharing it on !communitypromo@lemmy.ca
We left Reddit because of the drama. Dont bring it over here. Instead, just place your question on lemmy
In general, Reddit has made the move that all big name old social media have made (except maybe like Snapchat? I can’t think of any other exceptions) and kowtowed to corporate advertiser money, rightwing misinformation and bigotry, and the egos of oligarchs such as Elon Musk. This is essentially done to make the fat cats in the corporation richer.
I was able to find your deleted Reddit post [EDIT: understanding now that you were referring to posts across multiple subs]. My best good faith guess [for r/frangrance] is that the mods may have considered it to be within the scope of the “No medical advice or health questions” sub rule? Navigating to even find the sub rules was difficult since the mods have attached them via a link that immediately redirects to an account sign-up page. My workaround to even read the rules was to copy the link and change the “www” to “old” and it worked.
[EDIT, continued: For r/zerowaste, the only good faith issue I can see — and it’s a stretch — is the verb tense of “[Crafting] Posts must be something that you have made yourself.” Since you haven’t yet made the fragrance in full, maybe they don’t allow WIPs or for others to help with WIPs?
I don’t see anything with r/sustainability’s rules that would apply. They do have a “No Surveys” rule but there are other posts that do solicit input and advice, so that apparently doesn’t apply to your post.]
You might find Lemmings who are happy to help with your fragrance situation on any of these communities:
https://lemmy.world/c/askscience
I suppose this could be the case , although a strange decision to limit the discussion only on the smell aspect. You should be able to talk about ingredients. Anyway, like I said, il stick around here more. Thank you for the links, I will definitely check them out.
Reddit is being moderated by an AI now
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Seriously, things have gotten so bad there , the website is unrecognizable from years ago… I am sorry you didn’t have the platform to vent when needed. Hopefully here it will be better.
The fact that the larger the subreddits get more picky they are about posts isn’t a new problem, but it has apparently gotten a lot worse in last few years. Apparently a lot of subreddits now have automoderator rules that just nuke posts based on karma or “contributor quality”, whatever the hell that means.
But at the same time, some of the default subs’ most prolific posts are bot reposts ad infinitum. Those never seem to get nuked even though it’s crystal clear they’re bot accounts…
I think some mods are overly jumpy with chemistry type questions because uninformed morons will confidently answer the wrong thing and the mods are afraid it will get someone hurt. That or the subs in question just aren’t geared for this kind of Q&A. You’d probably get better responses from a chemistry subreddit.
Scent compounds being potentially hazardous to some minor degree in their super concentrated form isn’t a huge issue, because that’s not how they’re going to be experienced and it’s hard to find anything that isn’t harmful in some quantity. The alchemist Paracelsus, who pioneered evidence backed approaches to pharmaceutical medicine wrote the old adage “The dose makes the poison.” Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it all at once, and pure oxygen is an extremely dangerous substance even though we need it to breathe.
That said, I happen to know a bit about chemistry and just did a bit of reading. It looks like rose oil comes in two forms - one produced by steam distillation, and one produced by solvent extraction. The one produced via solvent extraction is more common, more concentrated, and according to Safety Data Sheets (SDS) I was able to find, has more potential health hazards associated with it. The other form, known as Rose Otto, is produced via steam distillation and is less concentrated. This means you will need more and will need to adjust your formulation, but according to the SDS this is a pretty safe substance. If your concern is potential hazards of making your soap during manufacturing, then that may be a better option I guess. I still think that it’s fine to use substances that are toxic in quantities that will never make it into the final product.
Just look at the subscriber count of those subreddits. Try to moderate that.
Yup, just get the hell off Reddit. And Twitter. Both of those cess pools.
I deleted my Reddit account of, was it 11 years? More? Anyway, sometimes I miss being able to comment there whenever I come across someone kind, or some idiot. But then I think, boy, morally, I feel better not partaking. Lemmy is the future for now. I’ll abstain from the cancer.
X is where people I want to follow post unfortunately. If they posted on mastodon, I would use that more. As it stands, a lot of people and creators I want to keep up with are only on a few select platforms at the moment. Maybe that’ll change in time but I doubt anytime soon. Same situation with YouTube, I’d like to stop using that too but it’s the only place to find certain things (small example: individual magicians who sometimes perform on Penn & Teller also post their own videos on YT only.)
When people post on X I complete lose the urge to follow them. If you support X you’re complicit.
That’s wild, I would not be able to keep up with trends in the industry I work in as much if I isolated myself from everyone. But happy it works for you.
Understandable.
You go where you need to go sometimes. I don’t follow anyone on Reddit or Twitter that I can’t abstain from or get similar content. I guess I’m lucky.
This is one small example, but I get notifications on developer livestreams for new models and new API updates and feature releases. The OpenAI sub itself is not only too many hours late in publishing any of them, but it’s also only a fraction of the updates coming directly from the company itself. This extends to many other orgs and people I follow.
I’m a developer so I like to have quick access to new info to many frameworks and languages (and other lead devs that post updates.)
I am pretty sure your best bet to get something that is roses scented but is non-toxic would be creating a tincture vegetable glycerin with roses. Take dried rose pedals and let them sit in the sun for 4-6 weeks immersed in vegetable glycerin which should impart roses smells and other rose components into the vegetable glycerin. I haven’t done it myself but it is suppose to do some extractions of the compounds.
You will be extracting the essential oils and all other compounds from the rose pedals into the glycerin but in lower concentrations than a pure essential oil. (Also depending on the essential oil will have a broader range of compounds depending on how they made it)
Make sure to use roses that are not treated with pesticides and fertilizers.
Exactly. Don’t use any roses that are treated. I like Mountain Rose Herbs
I was making the most innocuous comments in Reddit and getting banned. I finally gave up and here I am. #RedditRefugee
Reddit doesn’t need you. Use to be a place for small communities to collaborate. Now its focusing all it’s efforts on being a proprietor and distributor of information. Any function those small communities serve is not important anymore because their user base is so large and entrenched the only thing that can sink them is gross mismanagement. As we saw with Twitter, even then, the road to broke is long and spiraling.
They may have a rule to delete any mention of essential oils automatically. Or they deleted due to the criticism of it. Hard to know which way any sub might swing.
