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Dont love the AI slop but appreciate the message
It does seem a little odd to include the USA twice and not to include China or the USSR once. They could have even included Dutch slavers putting Africans on a boat.
Dont love the AI
Are the taking Lemmy as revenue away from artists? Are they selling this commercially? Should they have commissioned a perfessional artist for your free meme?
Something about trying to appeal to human emotions with robot creations doesn’t sit right sith me.
So I guess you’re opposed to CGI in movies as well, or any comic that isn’t hand drawn and scanned?
Shit, that’s using a scanner… Hand drawn and a picture taken… Nope. That doesn’t work either. Printed in a… Fuck.
I guess you only approve of comics hand drawn by people that show you the original in person?
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The AI hate train in action
No, I just think it looks like shit
There’s an XKCD for that
The message: 👍
The AI generated slop: 🫤
I could’ve made this art.
Do it.
but you didn’t.
What’s your point?
You know when you repost someone else’s work, you should at least say who made it, right?
AI-generated artwork has thousands if not millions artists’ names attached to it.
I don’t understand. I mean, you’re right, of course. But, who are you answering? What are you answering?
Shocking truth:
Humans can make all art made by AI.
Humans can make all calculations made by computers.
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
Incidentally, for all of the “this is AI” brigade, what are you picking up on? I’m not picking up on any of the classic tells. Aside from the closed fists in the first and last image, where I’d personally go for an open hand, I don’t see anything obviously amiss.
Dude pulling on native american person’s braid, mother and daughter look too similar, mom’s hand is messed up, SS logos are messed up
There’s a wave of AI generated comics hitting lemmy right now. At first i was in the same boat as you, found it difficult to identify
Now after seeing more and more, my brain’s detection algorithms are updating.
I’m quite good at seeing obvious AI slop images, but comics was a totallly new thing i had to learn to detect
Ah, thanks for that!
I was genuinely interested because I used to lecture when the GANs first started appearing. Ironically enough, I used to point out to the students how you could tell photos were generated (mismatching ears shapes, asymmetrical glasses, oddly shaped jewellery etc.).
Seems like I need more exposure to the comic art side of things!
If you’re interested in seeing how good it’s gotten now, some are impressive https://sora.com/explore/images
What ever you do, don’t look at the Native American’s eyes. 🥴
😳😬
Hands, faces, eyes, insignias. The usual shit.
Yea, I don’t mind AI for personal use stuff like this. But AI in commercial stuff is a big no go.
To me, it is not even the commercial stuff that matters. AI-generated image should never be in public domain because it is all stolen from others, piece by piece. The copyright is a big question mark.
I agree with this entirely. I personally use AI to help me do things that I don’t have the time to do “the old fashioned way”.
I can draw, paint, sing, sculpt, etc, and I enjoy doing all these things very much. But I don’t have time any more - I have a full-time job, two kids taking up most of my time, and Long COVID means I’m asleep for almost all of what would be left over.
I’ve used AI to help me bring 2d art, music and 3d models into this world that would otherwise be trapped in my head.
The eyes, mostly. The braid thing is weird, too.
Did AI make this? It looks like it
Nah dw the mom just has epidermodysplasia verruciformis
Why is that man pulling her braid lol
I don’t want to assume their gender but that’s a man, baby!
Must’ve trained the AI on Wheel of Time.
…he’s just following orders
Why are there way more AI comic posts than usual lately?
Because sometimes people have an idea for a relevant comic, but not the artistic ability to draw it. So, they use AI tools to create the artwork.
Damn, you’re right, artistic talent is totally required to make webcomics.
I apologise for my glib response. I don’t doubt your sincerity. Things may change in the future. It’s just that in this particular historical moment AI has as much to do with democratising talent as nfts did with supporting solo artists/creators.
AI shitposting is effortless.
I think this community needs to have a conversation about whether we keep allowing AI comics.
It’s a no for me but I’m willing to vote.
There’s a vote under every post. Feel free.
Nice “gotcha”. But you know what I meant. We should discuss adding it as a sub rule - so we can report it for AI as they come.
fuck your sub rules. this ain’t reddit and i’m out once it becomes that way.
As is your right. If the community agrees to make a change, and you don’t like that change, you’re welcome to leave the community. Congrats on having free will!
When I’ve got 10,000 AI generated candidates on my ballot and its my job to pick out the half dozen real submissions, it feels like there’s a structural problem with the election’s process.
So you want to make someone else do it for you?
I don’t see a shortage of eager self-motivated artists. What I see is a social media space crowding them out with slop.
I would vote “no” as well, but I imagine they’re here to stay.
Just following orders…
This is why I custom order all my memes direct from people on Fiverr
It’s an inherent problem of the human condition, for some reason our own moral compass becomes dysfunctional once the authority and therefore responsibility is with someone else. It’s the reason the Stanford Prison Experiment went so wrong once the professor took influence; we’re not inherently evil, we (as a species) are just drawn to the current ruleset as dictated by our social group or idol of choice, especially if we get convinced it’s somehow necessary.
Obviously not trying to abolish any guilt here, people are still responsible for what they’re doing.
In the end we need way higher quality of education globally, better social security, rethink society (don’t have children be on their own and make parents constantly burned out, god damn it) as well as political systems so they are designed to prevent any definition of an in- and out-group. Protections for who, what, where and how people are are great, and stuff like Germany’s Article 1 is a good start, but it needs to go way further.
We need to design an environment that allows us humans to become more than we currently are if we ever want to get out of this cycle.
Not to burst your bubble but
Stanford Prison Experiment
was a total hoax:
It confirms claims Zimbardo pushed participants towards the results he wanted, something he has disputed.
That’s actually what I referred to, although I indeed didn’t know know about the other statements by participants. Only knew about someone in Stanford digging through the files and realizing Zimbardo fucked everything up by pushing towards a certain outcome. Mmh…
I still stand with my statements about what we should do better though.
I’m with you on that. Most people all to thankfully give up their responsibility and do what they are told. The less they see the outcome of their actions the better (drone Pilots for example).
Anyway, i think the stanford prision experiment is a bad example for that though, because it also incorprates peer pressure and concludes that nobody will think twice doing harm to others, as long as they are told to do so by authority. Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know. It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better.
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better
“Everyone is an asshole, so it’s okay for me to be an asshole too”?!
You do you! I strongly believe most people don’t enjoy seeing other people suffering. I’m no saint either but I try my best. I think that’s a way better starting point than your take.
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
I thought we were talking about societal concepts? Those would literally change everything given it’s about the shape of our very environment, it’s okay if you don’t want to engage in such a discussion though.
Sorry mate, english is not my first language. I just wrote a response anyway but lemmy bugged when i tried to post it. :(
I think everyone can act like a monster if he thinks the other person deserves it. unfortunately all the negativity in the media and from influential people enforces this worldview.
I try to abstain from and to not discuss shit like that. Life is too short to be angry about things i can’t change. What i can do is act as good as i can in my personal life and that’s about it.
Have a nice day and don’t let the negativity get the best of you
The good news for (most of) the pieces of shit from the 1830s and 1940s is that there wasn’t a tool for us to use to name and shame.
However for this generation of fascist scum there is now the internet. And it should be used to track down and tackle the ICE scumbags. Fuck them.Edit: Reee, AI, blah blah because, yes, that’s the most horrible thing about this post. Definitely not the kidnapping and fascism. Fuck sake.
you are on track with the right kind of thinking and the children are too busy whining about the AI. fuck the AI haters. let them say it to my face. we have bigger fish to fry. anybody that wants to get distracted like that is a liability and should be treated as such.
The sentiment of the post is right, but AI is shit and we can adress smaller shit while also focussing on big shit :)
There, said it to your internet face
so brave
Fuck sake.
Dude. Nobody got kidnapped or fascisted over this post. But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred. Yes, it’s perfectly appropriate for people to care about that, and some people, believe it or fucking not, can hold two things in their heart at the same time. If I can make you ignore whatever I’m actually doing just by referencing Mussolini, I have a superpower over you. And maybe people do.
Also, fuck your low key ableism. Let “reee” die.
But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred.
Ya, a real artist could have gotten paid for this post!
… No? Get their cut off that sweet sweet Lemmy ad revenue?
I’m confused, in what way was an artist harmed by this? The artist that didn’t make this is missing out on their Internet points?
You should cry more.
Devastating. I may never recover from that. Let’s cry together.
I approve the message! The images are just reinforcement so I don’t really care if it’s AI. Not everyone can draw.
And what about the theft and abuse of creators that was required to create the AI in the first place? If we’re just going to steal shit, we don’t even need the AI, we can just steal shit from each other.
Well, this image isn’t being used commercially so no one is making money off of it. I think that seems like a fair use of AI. Similar to how people make memes with images they stole from the Internet
Human artists train using other artists work. Every avenue of human endeavour is based on what came before.
My own default style shares similarities with Barbara Canepa and Rumiko Takahashi. Why? Because, as a teen, I used to copy their stuff, trying to “unlock” the parts of it that I like.
If I was to directly copy an image, and say it was my own, then that crosses over into stealing. But that’s not what has happened here. And unless you get very specific with the prompts, it’s not likely to happen.
Okay, but did you literally illegally download the material in the first place? Did you violate licenses that you obtained the material under? Do you intentionally imitate specific artists so that casual observers can’t tell the difference and then fill the entire space with more shitty art using that style than any human artist could ever product, such that the original artist who developed it no longer has control over that style and has their future income devastated?
It’s not the same thing and you’d have to be willfully ignorant by this point to think that it is. All the major LLMs are “fruit of the poisonous tree.” They were trained using stolen data that they were not entitled to use for those purposes. The artists SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID for their work training the AI.
What if I told you that I trained my brain on copyrighted materials that I pirated from the Internet? I make games and I have for sure downloaded games I didn’t pay for and played them. I know I have used some of the mechanics from those games on my own. Am I a bad person?
I don’t agree with your take, sorry.
To say that an artist should have exclusive control over a style is dangerous.
Every time there is a big upheaval in an industry, it affects people’s jobs in that sector. Henry Ford’s investments in automation, put a lot of small car manufacturers in a tricky position. It also led to cars being affordable for most American households.
I’m not unsympathetic, in fact I’m more than a little aware that AI will be taking over my sector, the software development jobs, within a couple of years (and unlike art, I can’t see any market for “hand-crafted” code!).
But, the genie can’t be put back in the bottle. There’s no possible positive that comes from “calling out” AI art whenever you see it. It doesn’t help artists - if anything we’ve seen artists having to go out of their way proving their work isn’t AI.
I think it’ll be mainly using the AI to make the code, and then manually debugging it for a long while.
nobody fucking cares. find a different thread to bitch about your made up problem. GO AWAY.
You can’t make me.
i can. it would just take some work.
just STFU dude. nobody cares
Don’t we all reuse the same meme formats anyway? I don’t understand this argument.
Lads here me out on this it might sound a bit harsh but I’m starting to think them fasists are cunts
One of the few good things about WW2 is a lot of fascists died.
Saw this on a thread a while back:
The funny and sad thing is I think the original panel was showing American imperialism against historical Nazi facism (soldier attire), so it was very easily repurposed for the next ethnostate of Israel with the Nazi flag being redundant against the very obvious German soldier.
This didn’t ring my AI bells at all. Oof…
Same here. What are the signs here?
Look at the Nazi insignia. It’s all AI garbled noise.
Weird eyes on the native American. The soldier/sherif is holding his braid for some reason.
The SS officer has garbled ensignias.
The faces of the immigrants are nearly just copy pasted.
Right after commenting I did look for clues and I noticed these, but I doubt I would’ve checked if other comments weren’t pointing out it’s AI.
It was the eyes that gave it away for me. They look, just, wrong.
Fascist: “We’re just following orders.”
Liberal: “Court orders?”
Fascist: “Shut up and get in the van.”
Liberal: “Okay, but I’m going to post a frowny face about it on Twitter.”
What’s more annoying? That people have the ability to generate content with AI, or that everyone on lemmy constantly complains about it?
You’re banging your heads against walls over and over. Stop. Shut up.
The second one
