Summary
Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.
Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to “Russian aggression” and prefers calling it the “Ukraine conflict.”
This shift follows Trump’s peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine’s President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a “dictator.”
The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.
American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.
Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn’t deserve your grace and goodwill when it’s showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.
Fucking clown.
honest to god embargo us. saction us. you will do more to help our people by cutting donald trump at the knees than anything else you could do. we need help making his cult realize what they’ve done is bad and i think the only way that happens is if food gets expensive
I’m going to be honest here: I approve of your proposal. At the same time, I live in a European country with conscription that borders russia. I don’t think you understand how reliant Europe has become on the US MIC. Even in Norway, where we have Nammo and Kongsberg, we are nowhere near being able to supply a significant force with arms.
In the 90’s, Norway could mobilise and arm ≈500 000 soldiers within a couple of days. Today that number is probably < 50 000. Building production lines takes time.
In the next election (this autumn) my vote is going to the party that takes up-arming the most seriously.
Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.
It’s going to end up that way whether EU does something now or not. He’ll just pick up his ball and leave like he’s done every time so far.
I’ve come to notice that the rest of the world is already beginning to leave us behind. The realization came with the TikTok ban. Soon as I heard that TikTok could be banned, I started looking for alternatives because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. I stumbled upon XHS by accident and about a month before everyone else. I was absolutely fucking blown away by China. It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
I really came to realize that other countries are leaving us in their dust and it’s only a matter of time before we’re not the Apex predator anymore, and frankly I can hardly blame them.
Have you uh… actually been to China? Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)? I do both, quite often. Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave. And not in a “grass is greener” way. Those emigrating to America are fully aware of the political turmoil, they’d just rather be out before it’s not physically possible to leave.
It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
Based on testimony from a demonstrably censored platform?
I’m not arguing for American superiority or that the vacuum won’t be easily filled by other countries. But that change isn’t automatically an upgrade.
Have you uh… actually been to China?
Yes. Almost a dozen times.
Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)?
Yes.
Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave.
Have you thought about why? Ask them to describe the US. They’ve been told an astonishing amount of propaganda about the US that is all incredibly untrue. I’m telling you. Actually talk to these people that you’re “in contact” with about how they view the US. They believe that every US Citizen is a millionaire. They think we have good healthcare. They think we all live in great houses. They think we all work a few hours a week and get paid a lot for it… It’s never ending. So I mean, yeah. If you get told there are places like that in the world of course you would want to leave your home country.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
Was it only to the sterilized foreigner hotels on business trips? Or did you ever stay with locals who had to register your passport with the local police?
Were you able to spend physical currency or was everything already hooked up to official biometric identification (payments tied to socials tied to state id)?
I’m not asking to be confrontational, but the shiny foreigner facing China of yesteryear is nothing like the domestic atmosphere of China today. Their international digital presence is as carefully managed as their local platforms.
The locals I’ve met definitely have a positive view of the US, but things have gotten very dark very quickly under Xi. Think about why they could have started their emigration at any time but are choosing now.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
I married a Chinese national and spend a month or two in China every year since.
Look man. You need to fucking stop. You look like an absolute douchebag.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then… No need to get mad 🤷♀️
My anecdotal experience is different than yours, but everything I’ve said is nothing but facts. China is a country of 1.4 billion people and 3.7 million sq mi, so obviously sentiment will vary. But I based my opinion on what I’ve personally seen and people I’ve talked to across half a dozen cities, so I feel pretty confident in my pessimism.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then…
You’re clearly under the impression that this is something which has happened recently. And it’s not. Which is really weird because I at no point in time said anything about this being a recent thing. That’s your own bias and you’re making yourself look like a douche because you’re piling up your assumptions with each post…“oh, he must not talk to actual Chinese!” “oh, he must be one of these TikToker’s!” “oh, I bet he’s never even been to China!”
Clearly it’s a wide and diverse country. Your pessimism singularly indicates that you gravitate towards the negative–not that China is in a bad spot, but that you’re only choosing to see the bad…
My wife found XHS (aka RedNote) as well. I did not realize the extent of anti-China propaganda that I had inadvertently bought into, and like you, I was absolutely blown away.
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Yes, PLEASE! The rich fucks need to start feeling the consequences of this bullshit where it hurts. It’s the only domestic demographic that can offer enough pressure to motivate this administration to change their behavior.
This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.
G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up
Maybe since it’s mostly just the northeast Atlantic now, it should be NEATO.
Canada and Greenland have most of the north covered even without the US, so the name still works.
Southwest from the European pov. SWATO.
Also maybe EUaC (EU and Canada)? 🥹
But I couldn’t vote for Harris because that was a vote for genocide.
Coming from a country with ranked voting and more than 2 parties, this looks so ridiculous. It’s like the USA electoral system is designed to make people bicker amongst themselves about who is the lesser evil, while oligarchs take control.
Seems like you understand it just fine then.
Veritasium, on yt ( not a guy I recommend frequently ) has a vid on election-systems.
Approval-disapproval seems to be the sanest electing-system there is…
All the ranked-choice-systems logically have problems, though no-where near as bad as 1st-past-the-post idiocy.
Please, people, if you’re interested in the sanest voting-system possible, watch that video, & then organize to replace your system with the currently-best-option, which seems, from that vid, to be the approval/disapproval system.
( it makes the most-approved person win, and one can approve-of multiple different candidates, so the majority-of-voters get heard, no-matter-what, see? )
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What style of ranked voting does your country use?
Yeah that was some really really stupid shit people were saying.
In maybe the most important race of this country’s history, Harris couldn’t bring herself to denounce genocide and war crimes like a decent human being and instead chose to support a corrupt, fascist foreign nation that more closely resembles Nazi Germany than another country today.
Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.
Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.
The non-voters voted in Trump who is trying to be more fascist and corrupt than the other country you’re alluding to.
Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he’s not self interested. He is clearly under Putin’s influence.
Blow it apart. America doesn’t belong with its former Allies.
Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.
Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.
So making peace with russia is destroying the free world, but letting Ukraine and russia have a forever war isn’t?
What kind of dumb ass uninformed comment is this. We all want the war to end. But with freedom, not more oppression
Right?
Russia could end the war it started right now. And leave. It chooses not to.
He was giving us the approved view from St. Petersburg.
Then European countries need to fight. Ukraine can’t win alone.
Appeasement doesn’t work. We know that from WWII.
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Suppose it depends which propaganda machine you listen to.
Real people in Ukraine telling their actual first hand account stories of what Russian soldiers did is not a ‘propaganda machine’.
Reality doesn’t care about what people are saying. It matters what people are doing. The people who suffered and died because of Hitler and Putin are all real people who were real victims.
You make pretty words and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
Just be glad you don’t live in Ukraine as National Public Radio has some grim first hand stories as to what Putin’s invasion was like for civilians.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/30/1093339262/ukraine-russia-rape-war-crimes
[Accounts of alleged sexual violence coming out of Ukraine in recent weeks have been grim. A woman raped repeatedly by a Russian soldier after her husband was killed outside Kyiv. A mother of four gang raped by Russian soldiers in Kherson. The body of a Ukrainian woman found dead — naked and branded with a swastika. A woman raped by a Russian commander on the day tanks entered the village of Kalyta.
The number of reports that have emerged since the start of the war in late February suggests that rape in Ukraine at the hands of Russian soldiers may be widespread…]
Yes, because appeasing an agressor only begats more aggression.
Ah so its that simple, got it.
Damn the bullies in your school had a field day with you, didn’t they? They can take your milk and you would offer them your lunch too. Because conflict is bad. Surprise, sometimes violence is actually the answer. Whether we like it or not.
Well only one of us is getting upset and jumping to conclusions here.
You would suck your abusive boyfriend’s dick with one black eye because you’d be stupid enough to believe him when tells you that if you do, he wouldn’t give you a second.
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Of course letting a dictator invade and annex a democratic neighbour is a step in destroying the free world, you absolute muppet.
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Giving Russia everything they want and not negotiating with Ukraine is destroying the free world.
I’d love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.
Same reason the US helps Israel?
The US-Israel alliance has been a disgusting and embarrassing debacle
The US helps Israel because they like the US more than the rest of the middle east and the US wants control of the middle east so Iran doesn’t control it as a proxy for Russia.
So the US supports Isreal to hurt Russian interests. And is now diverting all Ukraine funds to Isreal to waste the money.
Under Biden we were on track to steal Palestine as a reaction to Putin stealing parts of Ukraine.
Now that Putin has Ukraine he doesn’t care about distracting the US through Iran and is fine having his puppet Trump keep sending their tax dollars to Isreal.
But since Trump is giving up Ukraine it is more of a trade where the US trades control of Ukraine for control of Palestine.
The US has already had control over Palestine through Israel for decades.
Weird that it’s still called Palestine then. Why would Isreal need to take their land if they already owned it?
Do you know the difference between owning and controlling? Israel has been invading more and more lands from Palestine in order to establish more and more illegal settlements and accomplish the policy of fait-accompli, while maintaining control over the remaining parts of Palestine.
Are you a bot?
Jesus dude the US has to support Isreal when they whine about people retaliating against them for colonizing the area.
Russia got their ally who they control to attack Isreal to make the US waste money there instead of Ukraine.
Not hard to understand
Why does the US have to support Israel when it commits genocide and ethnic cleansing?
joe biden himself said if isreal wouldnt exist, america would need to create a proxy there to control the region.
I love it when you talk dirty
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Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6
Someone take that orange fuck out, please.
Biggest disappointment in the last year was that dufus missing his big fat head from only 150yds.
2". That’s all we needed. Even small hands Trump knows what two inches looks like, it’s basically nothing. So damn close.
Will nobody rid us of this turbulent golfer?
Will no one rid us of this turbulent p
riest?
You are better than that. Don’t stoop to their level or you become like them.
If you can shoot Hitler in 1937, would you think it would be a bad idea?
Could you kill baby Hitler?
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Do you believe that we are in any kind of high-road position at this point in time?
I’ve always wondered why so many people peacefully marched into the trains, trucks, and death camps, then I see the sheer amount of people like you who say that and remember why. Maybe it’s a personality thing, some of us who are faced with annihalation vs annihalation with a fight, we choose the latter. Most people will just take annihalation peacefully out of fear or laziness.
Your words isn’t “action for change”. These are nothing but empty internet barks. Are you saying you’re ready to commit violence? I don’t think so. Too many barkers but in reality nobody are biters. So save the empty words. Fascism is right in your face. In your neighborhood. What are you doing about it?
It’s less about being ready to commit violence, and more like willing to die or lose all my freedoms for my beliefs. Tried doing things the peaceful, in-the-system way, working charities for blind people, deaf children, as well as various environmental causes. Got pretty high up in all of them, high up enough to learn that every roadblock to getting people medical aid, more blind people-friendly infastructure, cochlear implants for children, or utilizing cutting edge alternatives to oil and plastic using fruit waste and algae, every time it’s the millionaire/billionaire investor class that can’t see any profit incentive to helping people. I show up to pitifully occupy sidewalks regularly, I even take off work and take the financial hit if there are any demonstrations in my area. In August during the pogroms in the UK, I helped protect a mosque and got bricks thrown at me, hurt like a mofo but i’d take a million more. Helped nice young college girls get medical after getting bricks hurled at the heads and faces by fascists, meanwhile the cops did nothing but stand with their backs faced to the brick throwers, watching us get pelted with bricks and fireworks. None of this makes me even close to as radicalized as the fact that humans produce 3x the calories to feed every person on the planet yet we still charge money for food, and while there’s all these problems that need resources there’s $36 TRILLION sitting in offshore tax havens (as of 2016 according to the IMF).
I’m not willing to do violence, i’m willing to do anything even risk my life to stop them. I’d rather be smiling in front of a firing squad than peacefully obeying a soldier at gunpoint as he marches me to the camps. Perhaps you’re just not that guy.
Stop typing. Start doing. More action. Less typing keyboard warrior. My engagement with you ends here.
The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?
Just doublechecking my premises, there’s this from Investopedia:
The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world’s largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis…
Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.
G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)
Replace the US with China
It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.
If China’s willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.
I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China’s goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.
That’s definitely true, and the thought has crossed my mind before.
Anything an European company manages to sell in China is going to be a huge boost too. It’s the damn IP laws that are a pain to work with, though. A Chinese company perfectly clones your product? Well, you’re not going to win if you sue them.
China is as a bad faith actor if not worse than the US. And that’s saying something. Moreover, they are threatening another democracy (Taiwan) while being a dictatorship. What would be the EU stance in case of aggression? Ukraine being invaded is bad, but Taiwan is fine? That would be hypocrisy at it’s worst
China would have to do a whole lot more than just “not support russia”. As a starter, they’d need to start being transparent, honest, and not censor the ever loving shit out of all information from their country. Then they could stop genociding minorities.
The G8 already included Russia and the US, with Russia definitely being worse than China, even before the 2014 Ukraine invasion… And honestly, has the US ever been any better?
It’s an economic alliance more than anything.
Replace fascism with… checks notes again… fascism…
What?
Even better, South Korea
What? Hell no! The Orange KGB agent and Leon Hitler want the US to be like China.
That would piss them off so much lol
They should kick him out when he shows up for that threat
Let Trump and Putin have a G1.5. Do it. Make him look like a Russian stooge.
What do you mean “look like”?
it increases the number of people that want to blow up america every day. i bet americans abroad will have a hard time getting food in foreign countries where the cook did not spit on it.
