Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Donald Trump of living in a “Russian-made disinformation space” due to his administration’s talks with Kremlin officials.

He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful” after Trump blamed Kyiv for the war and downplayed U.S. aid contributions.

Zelenskyy’s remarks came as U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg visited Kyiv amid shifting U.S. policy on Russia. Meanwhile, European leaders, feeling sidelined by U.S.-Russia talks, held emergency meetings.

Zelenskyy canceled a Saudi Arabia trip in protest.

    • andrew_bidlaw
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      262 months ago

      He isn’t, he is still polite to give Donnie a benefit of a doubt, like he is speaking like that because he’s got malinformed. No, Trump uses his position to exchange Ukraine and the security of Europe for whatever he was promised or he himself promised beforehand for his success in pres campaign previosly, so he just closes his debts. Zelensky couldn’t say that to Trump all other countries and his own nation are paper tokens he uses to play monopoly with his friends. Ukrainian defence depend too deeply on what Biden’s given them before so as a diplomat he doesn’t want to cross out the US even though he knows that with Trump they’d hardly get anything. And it’s not about the US specifically, it’s a standard that keeps every other donor comfortable to donate arms and money, setting the climate in which no random and immidiate decisions pass, unlike what Trump does.

  • @psmgx@lemmy.world
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    982 months ago

    America is living in a disinformation space. There is a reason Musk bought Twitter, and it’s not because he thought he could make it better for users.

    See also: hyperreality

    • ᴍᴜᴛɪʟᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴡᴀᴠᴇ
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      Also the reason why Saudis funded it. They want a piece of the post truth pie. But why did Elon even bother with the Saudi money? Is it as simple as wanting to keep the high score?

      He paid $44 billion for twitter (of his and others’ money) but the presidency of the richest country on earth only cost $250 million? It doesn’t add up at all.

      • @SGforce@lemmy.ca
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        52 months ago

        He doesn’t have money. He has assets. That means he need’s to take out a loan against his assets. And who would have done such a thing for a money pit that was twitter?

        • ᴍᴜᴛɪʟᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴡᴀᴠᴇ
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          42 months ago

          I suspect it was planned out. He “jokingly” says he wanted to buy twitter. Courts say it was a legitimate offer and he has to go through with it. He protested for a moment then says oh well, ya got me. Commence purges that likely had to do with political beliefs, then here we are, buying the president of the USA for 1/176th the price of twitter. I’m just rambling here but where’s the missing piece? Or is it just that cut and dry?

          • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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            22 months ago

            Same thought came to mind two days ago. In retrospect, that Twitter purchase appears so excellent as to make the attempted backtracking look contrived and intentional.

            But there are other possible explanations. Maybe he jumped the gun before his planning partners had agreed to.

            And I’m reminded there doesn’t need to be any conspiracy here because I can’t think of what would have been different if the purchase were announced as a one intended to influence politics.

  • @perestroika@lemm.ee
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    He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful”

    Trump responded by calling Zelensky a “dictator without elections”, and suggested his ratings were low.

    (for those curious: the Ukrainian law constitution prohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 57% 70% currently)

    After that, some Republicans with a spine (Mike Pence, Don Bacon, Thom Tillis, Mike Rounds, John Kennedy, et al) also called out Trump to be more truthful.

    If Elon is true to his word, he now has to give 100 M to politicians who oppose those Republicans in primaries. Because he threatened to beat anyone who badmouths his boss with his wallet.

    • @VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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      82 months ago

      (for those curious: the Ukrainian constitution prohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 70% currently)

      A lot of Ukrainians have also fled the country, it makes no sense to organize this before ending the war. Why do we have to have this discussion? They are at war, marshal law is common during times of war to keep your country unified during these periods. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have vast oceans between them and their adversaries to allow for elections of their highest office to continue uninterrupted.

      • @fluxion@lemmy.world
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        102 months ago

        Because this isn’t about fair elections, it’s about getting a puppet government in charge who will just end the war freely by bending over for Russia. As if Putin and Trump actually care about fair elections… absolute clown show.

        • @VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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          42 months ago

          Right, and the puppet in charge will be rather obvious. The only other candidate that would win in a fair Ukrainian election is even more aggressive about opposing Russia than Zelenskyy, but since this is going to be rigged neither of those will win.

    • @Emerald@lemmy.world
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      62 months ago

      John Kennedy

      i’ll always know him as the “i can’t wait to have your cock in my mouth” guy

    • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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      LOL nothing but lies
      it has ‘grown’ to 57% and this from their own biased sources
      https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-increases-to-57-survey-shows/

      Another lie is that the constitution forbids elections:

      Ukraine’s Constitution does not explicitly address the issue of wartime elections, except for Article 83(4) that provides for the extension of the Parliament’s powers until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (the Ukrainian Parliament), elected after the termination of martial law or state of emergency.

      https://verfassungsblog.de/ukraines-constitution-in-wartime/

      And really, it’s not hard to hold an election.
      Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
      Perfectly fine to hold elections. The 20% is ethnic Russian and no longer ukraine, they wouldn’t vote for him or the fascist Banderites that attacked them anyway.
      Who knows, maybe the Americans can have another Nuland-Pyatt call and choose a president for them.
      That worked out fine didn’t it?

      • @TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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        52 months ago

        Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.

        "As of 31 August, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) had verified that conflict-related violence had killed 11,743 civilians and injured 24,614 in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.

        During the reporting period, Russian armed forces continued to target energy infrastructure across Ukraine, affecting essential services and deepening concerns about the plight of the civilian population with winter approaching."

        Honesty seems to be a problematic concept for the people supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine…

        Also, I am surprised you even pretend to care about constitutions considering Putin had to rewrite Russias to stay in power past 2024.

          • @TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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            22 months ago

            Yes, and it’s not including the initial invasion and occupation from 2014-2022. However, these types of people see any kind of logical assumption as outright manipulation and opportunities to validate their “alternative facts”.

      • @perestroika@lemm.ee
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        32 months ago

        Oh yes, only the Rada was mentioned in the constitution. The president was mentioned in an ordinary law. As the blog you linked explains:

        As discussed elsewhere, the prohibition of wartime elections is established in Ukraine’s statutory law. Ukraine’s Constitution does not explicitly address the issue of wartime elections, except for Article 83(4) that provides for the extension of the Parliament’s powers until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (the Ukrainian Parliament), elected after the termination of martial law or state of emergency. Nothing similar is made with respect to the president. According to one of the drafters of the Constitution, this special treatment of Parliament was originally aimed to enhance Parliament’s standing in the constellation of powers and prevent possible abuses during wartime or national emergency.

        Law of Ukraine “On the Legal Regime of Martial Law” (2015) prohibits the holding of elections during martial law and the Electoral Code of Ukraine (2019) ordains suspension of all elections during such period.

        • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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          Nothing similar is made with respect to the president. There we go, there is NOTHING in the constitution about it.

    • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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      Yep he’s trying to fool everyone by stopping all aid WITH EXCEPTION ESPECIALLY FOR UKRAINE.
      Still sends them weapons.
      He unilaterally withdrew from the missile treaties with Russia (immensely aggressive and dangerous) and put missiles in Romania.

      It really makes sense doesn’t it?

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    Trump and Musk literally got regular phone mentoring on how to do what they’re doing (shape and install an official Oligarchy). You don’t need to create an information space when the participants are willingly taking direct lessons and coaching from Putin.

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    222 months ago

    I don’t get it. How will they sell to the people this total capitulation? I’m not American. As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin. Won’t they see this deal and be like wtf?

    • TooManyFoods
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      312 months ago

      There are people here who will tell you that they would trust the Russian government more than their neighbor, if their neighbor ever suggested that industry should be regulated.

    • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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      172 months ago

      The most telling statistic about Russia’s trustworthiness is that every single independent country that shares a border with Russia on the West has mandatory military service and those in the same region without a shared border with Russia don’t.

    • @blattrules@lemmy.world
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      112 months ago

      They don’t have their own thoughts anymore; they love trump so much, they’re just going along with whatever he says and he says he likes Russia, so they’ve done a complete about-face on the subject.

    • @tree_frog@lemm.ee
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      It was never really about Russia or Putin, but the ideological divide between capitalism and socialism. And authoritarianism and democracy.

      Now, we have an authoritarian president. And apparently a third of the country voted for that so. Yeah that’s where Americans are at sadly.

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      As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin.

      Not anymore. Much of America is stuck in an information space that sees Russia/Putin as oppressed by liberal propaganda, like they supposedly are.

      Much of America doesn’t care, or will see warped versions of this news.

      Look at poll exit interviews of Americans, or more recent focus groups. We don’t “see” the same realities anymore, and it’s getting worse.

      Wherever you are, friend, beg your country to block or regulate Twitter/Facebook/Tiktok and point to us as what happens when you don’t.

  • @taanegl@lemmy.world
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    172 months ago

    Yes, it’s called the bank account of Russia… that’s the disinformation space he’s in. Just swimming in it. Filthy

  • Kompressor
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    122 months ago

    It’s the same false reality bubble that got Putin to think he could take Ukraine in 3 days, Same one that made Britain dipshits think Brexit was going to be a golden age and it was the opposite, and now Trump and his republican dumbfucks are under the same illusion that rewinding the clock to the late 1800s and trying to force this country to be a christian kingdom of conformity and idiocy will be a good thing long term and not spell the end of this place allowing China to finalize their technological power takeover and become the new pinnacle of influence on the planet. Wouldn’t be surprised if all of these very priceless high level intel all roots from China.

    • @burns_trees@lemm.ee
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      32 months ago

      Why China? Why not the billionaires in each of their own countries? The “Dark Gothic MAGA” doc is not just eye opening to what could be going on in the US, but for other countries under influence by a wealthy elite as well. I think China are able to quash these shadow movements since they maintain a large controller of their industrial sectors while also operating in the shadows. Because they have this control, I can see why we use them as a scapegoat. However, the ones with the most influence, the most accessibility, and the most to gain in the short term are the heads of industry. With the technological advancements of recent decades, those heads of industry can be found to be influencing the very means by which the people and therefore world leaders make decisions

    • ᴍᴜᴛɪʟᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴡᴀᴠᴇ
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      62 months ago

      The EU just announced $730 billion in war materiel for Ukraine. This is double what the US contributed over three years.

      As far as I can tell, Trump has only been right about a single thing, that Europe needs to spend more money on military.

      Looks like it’s blowing up in his face and it’s going to fuck him out of selling Ukraine to Russia.

      The Art of the Deal

  • @SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world
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    112 months ago

    Zelenskyy acting more like the character expected of an American president than the one who got elected to be America’s President.