Summary
Donald Trump stated that U.S. aid to Ukraine should be compensated with $500 billion worth of its mineral resources, including rare earth elements.
He claimed Ukraine had “essentially agreed” to this arrangement. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has hinted at allowing U.S. access to these resources to maintain support.
The idea aligns with Ukraine’s “victory plan” for post-war recovery.
Trump’s comments drew criticism, with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz condemning his approach as “very egotistic, very self-centered.”
America shows its colours.
It was never freedom, it was money and power all along.
Always has been. Most of the shit they got up to after WW2 violated the human rights of half the planet, was anti-democratic, and imperialistic.
That’s every country in the world.
Pretty much. But America doubly so
That’s every country in the world.
Some countries operate as administrators of shared consolidated resources. Some forget this and become America. You’ll spot the difference one day.
America Bad, yes we know
At least they are open about it this time around.
Nothing Biden gave them was free. They took on huge debt to get it.
In don’t like Trump but this is prob better than owing more debt. Not sure if the 500B is fair, but that’s for Ukraine to decide.
Bullshit. Almost all of the aid given to Ukraine from the US is in the form of non-repayable grants. Ukraine doesn’t have “huge debts” to the US. Trump wants to change this.
In May 2022, President Biden signed the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act, authorizing the US military to provide Ukraine and other Eastern European countries with equipment. The law defers repayments from Ukraine indefinitely, meaning that while the government is not required to pay back these loans now, they will have to somewhere down the line — with interest.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-money-has-the-us-given-ukraine-since-russias-invasion/
Your right.
The open ended deal is better.
What Biden gave them was peanuts. Enough to not lose everything. But not enough to take back the territory when the opportunity was there, and seemingly not even enough to hold the line as it is anymore. The only equipment they ever gave in large quantity for fighting a mechanized war was the himars launchers and ammunition and maybe the Bradleys.
Make no mistake, America NEVER had any intention of helping Ukraine win.
He never intended to support Ukraine. Never. This is just some bullshit to act like he’s “Justified” in cutting support. Just wait until he finds an excuse to give it to Russia instead.
Meh, the talks started with Z before elections took place and there were negotiations started August 12th-ish. I think this was Trump just trying to say some absurd number thinking that it would get Ukraine to say that’s more than they wanted to give so he could act like he offered to help before giving Russia everything they ask for anytime they ask for anything.
This is a Red alert. What he actually said, outside of the headline.
- They might give us the minerals, they may not
- Ukraine may be Russian in the future, it may not
- either way, we (USA) have all this money in the country, and we’re getting it back
we’re getting it back
Only an absolute ass would consider that a loan.
Only an idiot would think that Ukraine would actually have half a trillion dollars worth, and that they’d give it all to the USA even if USA blackmail them here. Zelensky will say lots right now to persuade the orange one. But he also won’t be in power after the war to see it through, very few leaders are retained after any way.
Ukrainian neutrality was effectively guaranteed by America, UK, and Russia when they gave up their nukes. And there is also an economic clause to this agreement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Good thing everybody’s respecting laws and treaties these days!
good thing the country has tens of millions of absolute asses
The assumption would be post war the support would be reconciled similar to the way we handled Lend-Lease. Most of the aid would not be recovered but a portion would over a VERY long time. The US would basically have Ukraine paying interest forever while making trade deals to reduce the principle. All of them s was a play by Zelensky to kiss the ring and secure continued support. Trump just showed the world how much of a Russian ASSet he is, again.
This is what the mafia does. Racketeering in exchange for protection… from itself (=in this case, Russia)
Trump has larped as a mobster for most of his life.
What a cunt
The entire war has always been about their resources
The entirewar has always been about their resourcesFTFY
The entirewar has always beenabout their resourcesFTFY
FTFY
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I wish the EU was in a position to make a better offer.
It is, it just doesn’t have the will to do so at the moment.
I hope they muster their political capital to back Ukraine.
So giving the US a real stake in the security of a non-NATO state is the worst thing in history now? How is this not a win-win for everyone except the military industrial complex who wants to see nothing but constant, bloody war?
“worst thing in history”, no.
“Terrible and exploitative, and untrustworthy besides”? Yes.
And to add to this point for everyone saying how high the number is, that’s how all geopolitical negotiations work. Trumpnjust doesn’t shut his mouth so we’re hearing the initial ridiculously higher proposal. I’d be willing to bet if this goes through the actual number is guna be closer to 2-2.5 billion. Half of the initial proposal. Not because Trump is fuckin savy but because that’s how this shit usually works.
Ukraine is getting the military support to hold its own. Plus a country’s ability to hold and repay debt is what the global economy runs on so having good credit with US will likely help them in the long run.
It probably will be $500 billion, but over 20 years and not factoring in investment costs.
The last time he wanted dirt on his political rival. Atleast this time he is working within the boundaries of the law, even if it is skeevy AF.
That has always been the plan, Ukraine proposed it way back. Art of the deal.
That’s more than twice the Ukraine GDP btw
