I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.

  • @kyle@lemm.ee
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    523 months ago

    Imagine the outrage if a world leader gifted another leader a golden model airplane after 9/11.

    Insanity.

  • 2ugly2live
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    The “pager attack” killed 42 people, including two children and two healthcare workers, while wounding another 2,800 people. The attacks targeted public areas, including cars, streets, and supermarkets, and many of the wounded suffered eye, hand, and brain injuries. Many survivors needed surgery, and some victims went blind or had to have their limbs amputated. One of the attacks killed an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, along with a nurse. At a funeral for some victims, another electronic device attack was carried out by Israel, wounding more people. It’s unknown how many Hezbollah operatives the attack actually killed.

    “That was a great operation,” Trump reportedly told Netanyahu, after being given the morbid gift.

    I can not believe this man was voted in. I can not believe this time line is real.

    • @Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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      You should see the hasbarists that tried to tell me that the operation was highly successful since it killed the children of Hezbollah operators, and that was its intended victims. Basically these people consider children to be very valid and normal targets to the point that you are a fool for thinking it is wrong.

      In all honesty at that point I am actually surprised at the restraint that Hamas and everyone else has had on them. Iran and even the Houthis defeated Israel’s Iron Dome and David’s Sling so many times it isn’t funny, but they still act like it is some impenetrable forcefield that has never been defeated. Also all of the targets by Hezbollah and Iran have been purely military targets or symbolic while also pulling some major punches, while Israel targets civilians with wanton abandon and with the intent to do as much damage as possible to civilians and civilian infrastructure.

      When Israel did get (mostly warhead-less) missiles launched at it, they expressed shock and acted as if Iran was some idiotic child-like state that did not understand that these are weapons that could hurt people. In the meantime they revel in the murder of children and civilians and even when releasing hostages as a part of their deal, they open fire at their buses.

      And Israel has always been like this. It isn’t new.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      43 months ago

      I can’t believe all the people who sat the election out and just let this happen.

    • @Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world
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      23 months ago

      He wasn’t voted in. Elon manipulated the voting system for trumps gain. Trump even said it himself “Elon knows voting machines”. They have taken over our country and are dismantling it piece by piece. The question is, how do we stop these fucks?

    • @sumguyonline@lemmy.world
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      Believe it or not the Democrats had machinations themselves that they had been working on a long time, and was very nasty. Rumor had it, Kamala would have no problem finalizing those plans, which is why she was ushered in without a primary and Joe was forced out. BOTH PARTIES HAVE GOT TO GO. The democrats enabled this level of power abuse because they wanted the power themselves, nothing was codified into law because they thought they would have the power. They are just as guilty of these current administrations actions because they themselves refuse to limit the powers and reach of branches of the government, they only ever extend them… And they did it because they had plans for that power, but you don’t need to believe that, the evidence they allowed the power to exist is elected and likely xitting on truth right now, that’s all you really need to believe, Democrats enabled this.

      • @rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        103 months ago

        Trump does something abhorrent.

        Writes paragraph explaining why it’s the Democrats fault.

        The conservative propoganda machine has really done a number on some of y’all.

        Like you couldn’t even stop to acknowledge what happened you were so eager to make Trump’s actions all about the Dems.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      153 months ago

      To horrific and offensive for that in my opinion, but someone already crossposted I guess.

      • WIZARD POPE💫
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        63 months ago

        Sure it’s horrific bit it is exactly the type of headline that makes you think it’s posted by the onion.

  • @But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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    As a Canadian, It’s crazy how easy these two played the American left by starting a genocidal war and having musk and the oligarchs use all propaganda machines to turn it into the Democrats fault. And the left just ate it up despite how blatantly obvious it was. The left splintered and had a “no, YOU’RE the fake leftist!” Argument among each other while the right unified and laughed at you guys

    • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      The right is always unified. Blind loyalty to the team captain is their one positive attribute. Look to our own slimeball cons for similar - but properly muted because #canada - idiocy and worship.

    • @ansiz@lemmy.world
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      I mean it seems more because Biden’s administration was hugely pro-Israel and consistently the destruction of Gaza and the death of Palestinians, and Harris started plainly her policy was the same. Harris ran on a campaign of telling parts of the left that they didn’t want their vote and courted mythical moderate Republicans.

      And I voted for Harris, but this was by far a loss due to the Democrats abandonment of their base and what polling clearly showed people wanted change, irrational or not, just something different. Running on a same-as-Biden platform was a massive blunder.

    • Pyr
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      33 months ago

      It’s almost as if there should be 3-4 parties because not everyone in one party is going to agree about everything else that others in that party agree with if it’s supposed to represent 50+ percent of the population.

      • @But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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        53 months ago

        Great, I mean you guys keep saying this. I’ve been hearing it from Americans for decades. Maybe that’s the problem, you guys always have this defeatist attitude like “well if the system was better” well it isn’t, so work within it, or you personally get out there and work to change it. Otherwise there’s nothing you can really do but complain. You don’t get to just complain online about a lack of change, you actually have to go out there and help in some way physically

        • Pyr
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          13 months ago

          I never said I’m American, I live in a place with more than two parties. It’s not perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than if there were only two.

    • @fart@sh.itjust.works
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      23 months ago

      if only there was a way for the democratic party to not be accused of sending weapons to a country actively committing war crimes . alas , it is the voters faulrv

  • @JohnScig@lemmy.world
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    One day, decades from now, people will read about these men in the same way we read about Mussolini and Hitler. They’ll be reading with bated breath about the atrocities they committed and we’ll be asked by our grandchildren how was it possible to even happen. Hopefully they’ll live in a world where none of this would be possible and they won’t comprehend the evil and cruelty that we got to witness, they won’t be able to understand how so many millions cheered for these monsters. Come to think of it, I don’t understand why so many millions cheer for them today.

    • @clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
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      Go figure… Maybe those who stayed home and didnt vote made a conscious choice for “certain, quick, unpleasant end” instead of “slow, uncertain end”.

    • @thesven@lemm.ee
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      You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

      I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

      Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.

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        Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way. Your hands fill up faster with trump.

        • @thesven@lemm.ee
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          I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

            • @thesven@lemm.ee
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              I know my quotes too.

              “There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick[sic] into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution.” John Adams

              "The two-party system teaches you that there’s a constant battle of good versus evil, when in reality, it’s just a fight for power.” Ross Perot

              “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” Noam Chomsky

              Want me to go on?

          • @rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            63 months ago

            You’re living with the delusion of clean hands and a clean conscious and you only had to sacrifice countless numbers of people to do it.

          • Golden Lox
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            this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?

            • @thesven@lemm.ee
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              There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

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                right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the ‘second party’ right?

                edit: and also, i agree itd not youre fault, not trying to assess blame, just trying to understand the psyche of a (realistically) non-voter

            • @thesven@lemm.ee
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              03 months ago

              Did he have only one opponent? Last time I checked there were more than two candidates.

          • @T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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            You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you’re American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.

            • @thesven@lemm.ee
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              The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

              • @T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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                Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn’t a “tiny bit worse”.

                • @thesven@lemm.ee
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                  Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

                  I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        As a transperson targeted by the Trump administration, your hands have some of my blood on them. I’m A-Positive about that.

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            They’re both equally as guilty.

            The DNC for Neo-Liberal Cowardness and Supporting a never-ending war machine, and The Third Party Voters for throwing away a chance to save LGBT lives in favor of huffing faerie dust.

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    Even if the genocide ended tomorrow, I’m just never buying Israeli electronics again. I’ve been boycotting Sony all this time for a mere rootkit.

    If you haven’t already, you should boycott people who booby-trap their products.

    • 8rhn6t6s
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      I’m not trying to say gotcha. But just pointing out that you can add Intel to that list since they have a fab there.