“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals,” Petro wrote. Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the United States. “We are the opposite of the Nazis,” he wrote, in a jab at Trump. Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. military aircraft land with migrants.
Everyone needs to remember this is how the “Final Solution” started. They originally just wanted to deport everyone they didn’t like. Then other countries started saying No. so they came up with other ideas.
Who were… Legal citizens, yes? Deporting illegal migrants is not the same.
You realize you just defended death camps for non-citizens?
How is sending them to their home countries the same as sending them to death camps??
First of all, many countries, including Italy, are literally installing lagers in other countries (in Italy’s case Albania) to “take care” of illegal migrants, so they are not easily sent back.
Second, the place they come from could well be akin to a death camp for them.
Third, rules like those can be subtly change in a minute to acquire ever more vicious features.
Fourth, as Zexks said, things could escalate once those countries serving their xenophobic policies start caring about the internal externalities of such deals.
Most places in the world are not death camps. We live a pretty cushy life here, but even the disparity between us and most countries are equal to cushy or death camp.
On top of that, no one is completely stopping immigration. We still have an asylum law that is in effect. We’re just going to be screening people claiming asylum to make sure they actually need asylum. Nowhere near most of the people coming across the boarder need asylum, and even then, Mexico is perfectly safe for most people. They don’t have to come to the US. They just have to go to the nearest country not trying to kill them.
Yes, any rules can be changed, it’s how we got into this illegal immigration mess to begin with.
What other countries do are up to them, but we’re not responsible for the world population. If there’s a genuine need for asylum in the US, cool. Otherwise, no
No. Not after all their rights and their citizenship were taken away.
See that’s the thing a lot of people don’t understand. Fascists often use the law and the system to LEGALLY implement all their horrific shit. Just because something is the law does not make it right. Laws can be changed, thus we shouldn’t use them as an argument for what is and isn’t right.
Let’s just imagine for a moment that tomorrow Trump and his little friends push through some law that allows them to strip every person with Swedish ancestry (for example) of their citizenship. Suddenly they could be deported, sure. And it would all be legal. Would you think it was right?
Your government is already talking about taking away birthright citizenship. And the GOP has shown us they are perfectly happy stripping at the very least some people of some of their rights already. Are you telling me you don’t think it could get any worse? Are you telling me that as long as it’s legal, it’s okay?
There was no law changed to call them illegal. It’s not like they were here as citizens and then trump came in and revoked their citizenship. They entered illegally and have always been illegal. That’s the major difference.
Again, this is how it starts…
Good reading here:
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/genocide-roma
"Prior to the Nazi regime taking power, Roma had been a subject of fascination and hatred in Europe. Though many viewed Roma as outsiders—and they were closely monitored by the authorities in Germany—the roughly one million Roma people in Europe lived diverse lives across the continent. Some Roma lived in caravans and traveled from town to town, selling horses and handcrafted products. Others lived in cities, towns, or villages doing a variety of jobs, from farming to fortune-telling to medicine.[3]
When the Nazi regime took over in 1933, little changed right away for the Roma. They were already subject to travel restrictions and investigations by the police. But in early 1934, a number of Roma came under threat from the “Law for the Prevention of Offspring with Hereditary Diseases.” This law legalized and encouraged forced sterilization for people who were considered medically likely to have children with a “defect” of some sort—disabilities, mental or physical, that the Nazi regime considered damaging to the “German race” and workforce. Between 1934 and 1945, over 300,000 people were forcibly sterilized, most of them women. Many of these women did not survive the procedure, which often had to be repeated, was extremely painful, and was often done without any anesthetic. In the 1930s, 500 German and Austrian Roma were sterilized.[4]
In 1935, there was another harsh blow to German Roma when the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor” was enacted. The first of the Nuremberg Laws, this law denied Jews their citizenship, banned marriages between members of “foreign races” and Germans, and took away political rights of so-called non-Germans.[5] Passed in September, the laws were expanded in November 1935 to include Roma. As a result, marriages were broken up, many Roma lost their jobs, and families faced destitution.
During this time, Roma began to face further restrictions on their lives. High rental prices, foreclosures, destruction of caravan sites, and harassment by the police were some of the ways the government controlled “Gypsy” populations. As part of a policy designed to “prevent” crime, Roma men capable of work were frequently rounded up and sent to concentration camps as “vagrants,” “work-shy,” or “asocial” prisoners. Families of traveling Roma were confined to small geographic areas, enabling the police to monitor them closely."
…how is forced sterilization along the lines of anything happening today with deportations?
Again, the denial of citizenship is where it starts, then the classification of “undesirable.” You are here.
Denial of citizenship is something every county does. Is every country on the verge of nazi-ism?
Taking someone who is a citizen and telling them “No, you aren’t, not anymore.” is NOT something every country does.
They’re not doing that.
'cept that whole bit when he rips up asylum law and tries to EO away birthright citizenship?
I think you might have misunderstood the lesson that we’re taught about the Holocaust. It wasn’t important who Nazi Germany gurt, it’s what the Nazi’s did. Regardless of who they did it to. The Nazis threw away their own humanity to achieve their goals, that is always wrong. Everything else after that is just details. That’s what people are afraid of with Trump’s deportation mandate, that to actually achieve it migrants will need to be treated subhuman. To deport them as quickly as Trump wants America and American’s will have to throw away some more of their humanity. It’s not the same as Nazi Germany in that there aren’t death camps, but Trump and his allies want America to walk down that path a bit. It’s wrong.
I hope the rest of the world keeps standing up.
Colombia has nothing to lose. The country is already in the black list for narco traffic. They suffered political meddling from the US in the 70s/80s. What next? Invasion? The cartels would be the first to pick up arms to fight back.
I’m not looking for perfect. I’m looking for people saying fuck you to our newly installed dictator.
Exactly. No matter from where it comes, a push back is a push back.
I agree but some pushback closer to home would be nice.
I would beg to differ. We have a lot to lose. We get millions of dollars for our armed forces and anti drug forces to fight the guerrillas (narco terrorists). If Petro keeps pushing, Trump could take that away. We are going through an increase of violence in the Catacumbo region. That means investors are already nervous. This issue with the US government could affect our economy even more. As always innocent folks will get caught in the middle of the armed conflict and any terrorist acts. We also have a ton of export trade with the US obviously starting with coffee, but lots of other industries (flowers, cacao, fruits, etc.)
Anyway, we could get fucked if Petro and Trump can’t work things out. I don’t expect they will, since they both behave like children.
It’s likely to be taken away anyway. There is a vocal group in the US pushing for more isolation and less funding for those types of aid. The Trump admin will keep raising the vig if you capitulate now.
If every country could come up with a way to personally annoy him (refuse to give away their largest territory, build taller buildings all around his hotels, call him a silly name, etc.) all the tariffs would essentially cancel each other out. If everything’s tariffed, nothing’s tariffed.
Unfortunately they’ve backed down already: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/26/world/americas/colombia-us-deportation-flights.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sU4.SJeu.KLeSKsinK61Z
Mass deportations are the prelude to death camps.
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Mass deportations of legal citizens, sure. Nothing wrong with deporting illegal migrants.
If it was Americans illegally living in ,Colombia you’d be cheering for them to send the American back to the US.
Also, the actual prelude to death camps is banning and removing guns from the population.
Do you know that the Jewish population in Germany were citizens? And then Hitler took their citizenship away. Just like they used to have rights, until they didn’t. Besides, just because something’s legal, doesn’t make it right. What’s legal and what’s not can change in the blink of an eye.
Yes. That’s not what’s happening here. None of the people being deported were ever citizens.
Jews weren’t “legal citizens” in Nazi Germany. What is and isn’t “legal” is entirely made up.
They were prior to the law change. There is no law change here. The people being deported from the US were never us citizens.
Even if you could prove that those people aren’t here legally, Trump is changing the laws. He wants to end Birth Right citizenship.
He wants to end anchor babies and birth tourism.
Just for brown people.
For anyone who does it. You think birth tourism is only done by brown people??
The shit he signed into law says NOTHING about birther tourism or any other kind of tourism. Just delete the fourteenth amendment. Cause fuck the constitution right. Is that what you support.
No, I don’t support deleting the constitution.
It doesn’t have to say it, that’s just what it’s for.
This person’s outright sadistic blindness or trolling aside, anyone reading this comment with good faith and not immediately having an aneurysm should remember that the once and current president once said, and I quote:
I like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.
Link to the quote? I’d like to look into that more.
just Google it, it was a big news story at the time
The link that was posted gave context. He wasn’t trying to disarm the population, he was talking about confiscating a firearm from someone who’s been flagged as about to harm themselves or others.
does it really sound unlike any of the other authoritarian shit he says? here, i operated the search engine for you: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-take-firearms-first/
In your own damn link it says he was talking about those who are “red flagged”, or is alerted to authorities as someone who might do something. You know, like when someone posts a manifesto online, he was saying they should be able to confiscate their gun and then have the court process.
He certainly wasn’t saying he wants to disarm regular citizens.
well, you clearly demonstrated your reading comprehension on the Snopes article… perhaps you should exercise that same skill on my comment because nowhere did i mention any of that nonsense you replied with.
Right, you didn’t give any context to the quote and tried to insinuate he wanted to disarm the population.
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Samsies
Tariffs hurt America. The messaging is that simple.
Watch as we fuck up the messaging.
Coffee prices already suck, now they’re gonna suck even more.
Lol, no they’re not. Colombia caved within minutes
Uhhhh no they didn’t. Colombia got evening they wanted in return for accepting the flights.
I wish the lunatics voters that support this would realize how expensive each of these flights are, at tax payers expense! Easily $30k per flight and Trump is aiming for thousands of these flights!
I heard $800,000 with about 80 people per flight. Good and cheap!
If you’re into blaming your troubles on poor people and punishing them for it then it’s a good deal I guess.
Yeah, I believe this is what goes on in the minds of many people. They are single issue voters.
I wish the lunatics voters that support this would realize how expensive each of these flights are, at tax payers expense!
I see that the US finally got a taste of the Rwanda plan.
It seems the specific problem was that military planes were being used instead of civilian planes:
That does make sense to me, since I’d feel less comfortable if a military plane was flying into my country, whereas I’d be more comfortable if a regular civilian flight was used instead. From the perspective of a Colombian, I would be concerned about how national security would be affected by giving permission for military planes to operate when they wouldn’t otherwise have permission.
This is the main cause for every country that refuses the migrants, who the heck would want militaty planes to enter their air space?
If he really wants to do this he’ll send them over in civilian planes not military ones…
They want to use military planes because they can hide the cost of this program in the “whoops it’s too big to audit” defense budget. The cost of civilian contractors would be publically disclosed.
Columbia imposed 50% tarrifs on all US goods.
Is China going to step in and start trading with Latin America?
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