Subscribe to our Substack: https://discourseza.substack.com/ --- In this episode, TK is joined by political economist Matlala Setlhalogile to discuss the real state of the nation. They talk about the political fragmentation of South African society, the growing number of black middle-class citizens considering emigration, the need to cultivate a culture of active citizenship and accountability among ordinary South Africans, the lack of ideological coherence among ANC comrades, and whether local parties are mature enough to handle a coalition government. TK Pooe (PhD) is a senior lecturer at the Witwatersrand School of Governance; his main fields of research are Public Policy themes such as Local Economic Development, Law and Development, Scenario Planning and Thinking, and Failure Analysis. Over the last ten years, he has lectured and consulted for various institutions like the North-West University’s Government Studies Programme, the University of KwaZulu-Natal, Gordon Institute of Business Science (University of Pretoria) and the Thabo Mbeki African Leadership Institute. Before joining academia, he worked in various government institutions as a Public Policy research consultant. Twitter: https://twitter.com/TKPooe7 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tk-pooe-phd-60895a75/ Matlala Setlhalogile is a Political Economist. He has been part of policy advisory work for government such as co-developing the SMME Internationalisation Strategy for the Department of Small Business Development, and being a researcher on the work on illicit financial flows (transparency in beneficial ownership) for the Department of Public Service and Administration. He is currently a Lecturer at the Wits School of Governance. Twitter: https://twitter.com/Matlala_S --- Follow us on Social Media: YouTube: https://bit.ly/2u46Mdy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/discourse-za Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/discourseza/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/discourseza Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/discourseza/ Subscribe to the Discourse ZA Podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2V5ckEM Stitcher: https://bit.ly/2UILooX Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2vlBwaG RSS feed: https://bit.ly/2VwsTsy Intro Animation by Cath Theo - https://www.instagram.com/Cuz_Im_Cath/