The sound of many of them exploding
So, what Israel is admitting here, is that they could individually pinpoint and target Hamas but instead carpet bombed Palestine into genocide.
supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation.
For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there.
Then make sure it’s been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so.
It’s very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill.
You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person’s hands.
Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person.
Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn’t hidden in a box under his kid’s bed when it goes off.
I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that.
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I’m having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren’t even arguing with you!?
They’re just another incoherent zio cultist.
That’s great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser.
Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔
You act like such a Zionist, it’s hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner.
They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing.
They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones.
But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can’t wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once.
Wtf? You’re killing everybody, you’re killing the most influential leaders you know about.
This was stupid, and will make Israel’s life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that.
This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid.
Nothing about this makes sense as an adult.
I’m not sire what you’re replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn’t be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that’s who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was.
No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies.
They literally knew about the attack before it happened. Genocide was always the primary goal.
They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.
All the rest is gaslighting so that you’d not be completely sure that that’s what they are saying, thus not so confident in yourself. Another kind of attacking other’s morale.
They are openly showing that they can do whatever they want.
Yes. And what zionists want to do is terrorism, genocide, etc.
Oh, not just the zionists… that entire zone is rife with religious violence.
The real problem is religion 🤷
Is it? There are plenty of Jews and plenty of Muslims who are not involved in this and see it as wrong. Plus, that’s such a broad statement as to be meaningless. We could equally say government is the problem, but there aren’t many advocating for anarchy. Or people are the problem. I’d be more inclined to say tribalism is the problem, the very foundation of an “us” vs. “them” mentality. Sometimes assholes pick a fight and call it religious. There’s a strong case to be made that war has become much more brutal and far reaching since the Napoleonic wars and the rise of the nation-state. I mean, we can blame religion … that certainly erases the need to look within ourselves and ask why humans do this to each other.
It’s a bit like pretending Nazism was a German problem and pretending like the same dark forces don’t exist now and in many people everywhere.
There are definitely some religious dickheads, but there are dickheads of all stripes.
If religion is so vile, how do we hold in tension the fact that religious people are often behind the most charity towards the marginalised and disempowered? Atheists talk a good game, but rarely leave their armchairs to do anything positive. Religion can become a tribal marker, but it also is one of the main forces working against tribalism.
This is the key thing here. People can whine about this attack, but this was targeted and it worked with low collateral damage, which also makes it legal (as in not a war crime).
The problem is everything else that Israel is doing since Oct 7, causing 1/3 of the Palestinian casualties to be children.
The very nature of a supply chain sabotage like this is indiscriminate.
Customary international humanitarian lawprohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction.
If this was the other way around, we’d have global outrage, days of mourning and piles of new weapons for Israel right now. We’d be speaking about one of the worst terrorist attacks in history.
Bingo.
This was a stupid decision by Israel. They have given the green light to mass attacks through consumer products. Can they really afford to protect all their imported products (electronics, food, water, etc) from every type of attack?
They don’t have to, the supply chain is friendlier to them than to Lebanese.
The supply chain goes from the source to the consumer. It doesn’t have to be and elaborate and expensive operation to have an effect. Several unrelated individuals poke 1 or 2 tiny holes into some fruits and vegetables during their weekly grocery shopping. Once people start to notice there will be panic about food security. Most people won’t care but enough will that it will cost grocery stores money in unsellable products and increased vigilance. Prices go up. If you can’t trust your fellow human to not sneeze at the buffet table, how are you going to trust your neighbour/worker who lost x relatives to not tamper with your ice cream in the unlocked fridge at the store.
Drones randomly dropping anthrax are simpler.
Where would they get the anthrax and a drone capable of spreading it without hurting the user. My example cost nothing, anyone can do it and the it’s almost impossible to get caught.
Actually incredibly easy to catch someone doing it in a first world country.
Mass surveillence is already here. By the third case of such death the police would already be pulling CCTV tapes.
Someone has a pin or thumb tack held between there fingers. They touch 10 green apples but only pierce 3. How are you going to determine this person did that from the hundreds of customers who were at that spot during one day? How many hours of videos are being kept? How many cameras do you need? How much will this cost? What if this was done at the farm? Or truck or distribution center?
There is no intelligence behind genocide.
Five years ago, if you had asked me if Israel would be committing terrorist attacks across Palestine, Lebanon and beyond, I would have said absolutely not.
I would have been wrong, even back then, but jesus fucking christ, what an absolute shambles.
How my government supports this state-sponsored terrorism is beyond me.
Zios have been using terrorism for 75+ years with full imperial support.
Call it for what it is, a terrorist attack.
The media condemned political violence against Trump in unison one month ago.
Israel commits one of the biggest terrorist attacks against a Lebanese political organization in history and the media claps.
My concern twofold
A: Without evidence I have a hard time seeing planting bombs in devices was solely targeted at fighters. Odds are an entire shipment was targeted and many people who weren’t Hezbollah received bombs
B: Blowing up devices that were by definition carried everywhere certainly killed families and associates who didn’t deserve to die.
During the Iraqi war we considered Iraqi leadership targets and I wouldn’t have been surprised if they considered our leadership targets as well. If they had in fact only killed Hezbollah I would have no problem with the attack.
In Iraq every Iraqi civilian was considered a valid target.
The definition of “enemy combatant” was “anyone within the blast radius of a US strike”. I kid you not.
And they whined about a fucking bus exploding.
About some pipe rockets killing a random bloke or two.
And this
against a Lebanese political organization
appears to be wrong since their attack wasn’t at all this targeted. It’s a mass terror campaign against whole Lebanese population in order to saturate its attention and reduce morale before an invasion.
We all got complacent relying on big nations with big militaries for punishing such behavior, and they are all in bed with the criminal.
Despite this not being Hezbollah’s best moment, I think they and similar guerrillas are the exact kind of people we should learn from for solutions to Israel and the rest of the problem.
This is a super-villain plan becoming a reality.
Lotta Hezbollah flags in that crowd, was that some kind of funeral procession from yesterday’s pagers?
If your state was under attack by genocidal terrorists, wouldn’t you support the resistance?
Shit, we use the same radios at work. Hope no-one blew up.
I saw this on Reddit first while I was checking my city subreddit, damn the headline there definitely gives a different impression.
(The comments are all mostly jokes, didn’t even bother wading through them and came to see If Lemmy had a thread instead).
Someone tell them the Palm Pilots aren’t safe either
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So if I understand correctly, Israel managed to get a bunch of people in Hezbollah to use pagers and walkie talkies that contained bombs. But they have not been able to gather enough intelligence from control of those communication devices to find and rescue the remaining hostages? And if they weren’t able to catch useful information from those devices, why did the people holding those devices deserve to get blown up?
You are forgetting one simple fact. They don’t care about the hostages.
Oh, they definitely do, in their own way.
The hostages are in Gaza, not Lebanon. If Israel had this level of infiltration with Hamas, it is unlikely this would’ve started in the first place
If only the nazis had infiltrated the warsaw ghetto… \s \s \s
This reminds me of when during sieges during the Middle Ages they used to lob the bodies of the dead back inside the castle. I’m not sure if it’s because of the lines they’ve crossed over and ignored regarding civilian casualties on this, or that this will essentially cause other parties to cross those same lines. This is giving ideas to China and Russia, and humanity has been far shittier in the past, I really don’t want to see how bad we will regress to.
Ok, guys, after the pager thing, I am pretty sure walkie talkies are next. Like that’s really An obvious one.
I don’t have any ideas on what next. Landline phones probably.
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