• ඞmir
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          211 months ago

          Eva is fantastic now that the rebuilds actually have a somewhat uplifting ending that gives perfect closure. I detested Eva for many years but my mind was changed by the rebuilds

      • @camr_on@lemmy.world
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        Just watch it through, or the way like from that pic. End of Evangelion is an alternate version of episodes 25 and 26, and the rebuild movies are meant to be watched afterwards

        • @sheogorath@lemmy.world
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          Not necessarily an alternate version. The End movies shows >!what’s happening outside of Shinji’s psyche.!<

          • ඞmir
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            In the original episodes, Shinji accepts the instrumentality project. In EoE he rejects it. Very significant difference

          • @camr_on@lemmy.world
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            111 months ago

            Oh yeah it’s way more complicated. I just didn’t want to dump it on this unsuspecting soul before they’re ready lol

      • @EnderMB@lemmy.world
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        Evangelion is an experience. As others have said, I wouldn’t even bother trying to find the best way to consume it, just watch, and revisit once you get over the initial “wtf was that” feeling.

      • @emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
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        • Original series (all 26 episodes)
        • End of Evangelion (optional, but recommended. This happens chronologically at the same time as Ep 25 and 26)
        • Everything else (optional, not recommended)

        The OG series is the story Anno wanted to show. Some fans wanted a more concrete ending, so Anno gave them a concrete ending in EoE. Then some fans wanted a happy ending where Shinji gets the girl so Anno said fuck it, sold out, and made a series with a happy ending where Shinji gets a girl. But now some fans want a happy ending where Shinji gets the right girl so Anno gave up on them as lost causes and went and directed Shin Godzilla.

        • The Stoned Hacker
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          I disagree. There’s a YouTube video essay series that breaks down the timelines and I really like their interpretation. Each Eva is the story Anno wanted to tell at each point in his life, as he grew and became a healthier person. Anno wanted the darkness when he was younger. Anno wanted the hope as he got older. I’ve watched all the Evas and I think I actually like the rebuilds more.

          • @emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
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            Each Eva is the story Anno wanted to tell at each point in his life, as he grew and became a healthier person.

            Sounds like something someone who sold out would say! (/s)

            Anno wanted the darkness when he was younger

            I still like the OG ending. I think the ‘darkness’ of EoE was partially a reaction to the death threats he got, and the Rebuilds feel unnecessarily convoluted (but the animation was great). Anyway, to each their own.

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        I wouldn’t bother with anything weird, just watch the series through and then the movies in release order. It might not be “optimal” but I don’t think it needs to be. You can skip Death, though, since it’s just a recap (there was originally a year between the end of the series and EoE)

      • @chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Evangelion is sorta important culturally and historically in anime, but honestly I wouldn’t call it good, even though it was one of the early ones I grew up on (along with Ranma 1/2 and Rurouni Kenshin).

        • TheHarpyEagle
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          I have the opposite experience, I only watched it a couple years ago and thought the hype would totally kill it for me, but I actually ended up really enjoying it and EoE in particular stuck with me. I loved the idea that love is born of the risk we take of truly being known by other people.

          I will say that the quality of the Netflix dub probably helped a lot. I know they changed some translations which kinda sucks, but overall the voice acting is so much better. No hate to Spike Spencer, he’s obviously a very prolific voice actor, but I think his performance of Shinji is at least part of why people thought he was so whiny. We were originally going to watch through the rebuild movies dubbed, too, but it was so bad we decided to switch to sub.

    • rockerface 🇺🇦
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      Literally just watch Monogatari in release order. It’s out of chronological order on purpose

    • @Godort@lemm.ee
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      Fate is pretty easy nowadays. Just start with literally any series made after 2011. They’re all self contained stories that explain the premise within the first few episodes.

      We’re a long way from the old days where you had to read the VN if you wanted to have any idea about what was going on in the UBW movie.

    • @corus_kt@lemmy.world
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      Monogatari was much harder for me to keep track of IMO, Fate content you can start off with most of what’s available (vanilla Fate, Zero, Extra, Samurai Remnant, Prisma, Grand Order). I’d only not recommend Hollow Ataraxia or Apocrypha first.

      Where typemoon is concerned, Kara no Kyoukai is more headache inducing

  • Rose
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    Oh, but the power of American superhero comics is that you can just start reading them wherever. Sure, there is deeper lore, but you’re not required to know all that. There’s this bat-dude, see? He punches crooks and does awesome shit in the night. There’s also a bunch of wacky villains. See? Just go read it, you’ll pick up the rest of the details as you go along!

    And I also love a lot of European comics because most often they have a pretty good balance between complex writing and manageable size. And publishers here tend to be more lenient toward artists making one-shot kind of comics, without any expectations that it’ll become the next endless blockbuster cash-cow property.

    Still, I do like how most of the manga series are like “OK, here’s the beginning, here’s 20 or whatever volumes, here’s the end.”

    • 🔍🦘🛎
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      Why do people understand this about the comics but not the movies?

  • Queen HawlSera
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    1611 months ago

    And that’s why Comics < Manga

    and I say that as someone who reads more Comics than she does Mangas (Not really fond of anime aside from specific examples)

    • @madcaesar@lemmy.world
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      I love batman and tried to get into comics many times. But every time I’d ask where to start it wouid be paragraphs of text exposing were I “could start” multiple reboots, side world’s, multi verse who else knows what. So I just give up.

    • @pyre@lemmy.world
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      do comics have as much filler as manga? because most manga and anime I’ve seen (which isn’t too much admittedly) has been full of irrelevant shit just to pad things out.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        111 months ago

        Not really, since there’s such a limited page amount, the only comics with “filler” either are because the editor kept mandating arcs that sell too well be stretched out as much as possible (Marvel infamously did this with Spider-Man’s clone saga to the irritation of EVERYONE!), or because it’s something like Early Archie Sonic where the stories are intended to be episodically self-contained to begin with.

  • Capt. Wolf
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    Make sure you watch the corrected DVD order because Fox thought more action would be better and put the 2nd episode first, the first episode 11th and totally fucked any hope for a second season…

  • @AeonFelis@lemmy.world
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    He originally appeared as a minor villain in Captainman #743, so you’d have to read that first. And the previous issues, for context.

  • CaptainBasculin
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    Speaking of Dragon Ball, it’s in a very weird “how to progress further” dillema after Toriyama’s death. Various people have the rights for different purposes; and want to do different things with the franchise.

    I just hope it doesn’t end up like LOTR franchise where they cash out for shit ass products that doesnt respect its source material.

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    Star Trek '09 and Into Darkness are both better movies if you read their supplementary comics. This is, I think, already on bad ground. Each work should be able to stand on its own to some degree. Pushing supplementary stuff like this to bring the story together is a cynical cash grab.

    Season 1 of Picard then directly contradicts the comic to '09. Specifically, Data was fully revived inside B4 in the comic, while Picard showed that B4 could never handle the complexity of Data’s programming (which, admittedly, is the more likely outcome). Not only that, but Alex Kurtzman was one of the writers of the comic was also on the writing team of Picard. Erasing that plot point was a deliberate choice.

    Where does that leave us with those comics?