• @Wojwo@lemmy.ml
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    She’s right. It’s annoying at best to have these people saying Biden is a problem, without articulating at least an idea of who should be nominated and how that would work this late in the game.

    • Barry Zuckerkorn
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      In my opinion, it’s quite similar to Brexit: maybe you can get a majority coalition to disapprove of the status quo, but good luck getting them to actually propose a more popular alternative. Much less proposing an actual procedure for getting that alternative onto ballots.

      Structurally and functionally, our political systems are not set up to run anyone other than the person who won the primary. Changing a presumptive nominee this late in the cycle is fraught with potential complications, but can be done if there’s sufficient support for a specific alternative candidate. Realistically, it’s Biden or it’s Harris. There’s no feasible way to get someone else at the top of the ticket.

      • @Wojwo@lemmy.ml
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        It’s guaranteed that the issue is being boosted by the opposition, and probably foreign interests. Who wouldn’t take advantage of the seed of doubt?

      • @jarfil@beehaw.org
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        In the US there seem to be only two relevant parties: the “non-Democrats”, and the “non-Republicans”.

        Kinda sounds like an Autocratic Monarchy would keep both sides happy, doesn’t it? 🤦

    • @dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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      910 months ago

      Biden may very well not survive to the election. Plenty of people were raising concerns about his age and the physical and mental decline that were patently obvious four years ago, and were briskly told to shut the fuck up.

      Run Harris. That’s the solution, because the democrats are allergic to actually cultivating new leaders.

      • P03 Locke
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        410 months ago

        Run Harris. That’s the solution, because the democrats are allergic to actually cultivating new leaders.

        But, how does that work? Does the DNC just declare a new candidate without an election? What kind of rules are there for this sort of thing?

    • @within_epsilon@beehaw.org
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      310 months ago

      Move Biden left in 2020 became just take Biden again 2024. I will keep the language US centric. Democrats are surprised they are losing progressives by appeasing conservatives and moderates. A better progressive option is Jill Stein or Dr. Cornel West. Would be surprising for a coalition between Democrats and Greens.

    • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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      1010 months ago

      it’s looking increasingly difficult for the Democrats. Biden’s not impressing people, the business with Israel is putting off some of his supporters, and they’ve left it very late to not have a Plan B. You’d think that any party running an 81-year-old candidate would have a fallback plan ready from the outset, or might anticipate difficulties and run a younger candidate in the first place, but apparently the Democratic Party doesn’t look that far ahead.

      • @jarfil@beehaw.org
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        410 months ago

        You’d think that any party running an 81-year-old candidate would have a fallback plan ready

        Hm, just wondering… what’s the Republicans’ fallback plan while running a 79-year-old candidate?

      • @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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        410 months ago

        They should have been building Harris up for the last 4 years instead of giving her shit issues Biden didn’t want to deal with. They knew it was possible she’d be forced to lead the party, but they were just so singularly focused on Joe Biden like he was a regular president and his reputation was the only important thing to manage.

  • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    910 months ago

    What I will say is what upsets me is [Democrats] saying we will lose. For me, to a certain extent, I don’t care what name is on there. We are not losing. I don’t know about you, but my community does not have the option to lose. My community does not have the luxury of accepting loss in July of an election year. My people are the first ones deported. They’re the first ones put in Rikers. They’re the first ones whose families are killed by war.

    But you probably are going to lose

    • @millie@beehaw.org
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      Only if you allow it.

      Do you respond to some stupid political polling and scare mongering articles by insisting that Biden can’t win and demotivating Democrat voters? Or do you respond by talking to people and getting them to text their friends in swing states to tell them to vote?

      Mobilize voters rather than just passively putting down your own check mark in November. Build energy for the campaign rather than diminishing it.

      It’s not the fucking weather that we can’t do anything about. It’s not a hurricane. It’s human beings making a choice. Our narratives matter to that choice. It literally makes all the difference in the world.

      Don’t passively assume defeat. Especially as it gets close to November. Let the media burn all their sabotaging, pro-corpo bullshit now. Let it be old news. Get inoculated against it. Then this fall, when we’re getting close, be relentless. Reach out, make connections, push that missing voter participation so it’s fresh in everyone’s minds.

      We absolutely have this, but only if we put out the effort to take it.

        • @millie@beehaw.org
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          710 months ago

          That’s because the corpo media really wants you to doubt that we’ll have this.

          Quit being a debbie downer and try!

          • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            710 months ago

            I think it’s more that the candidate you’re running isn’t great and the candidate running against you just got a hell of a boost on top of the lead he already had. Hard to believe you’re going to turn this around.

            Quit being a debbie downer and try!

            I’d rather let you figure out your own elections

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              If you’d rather let us figure out our own elections, why are you out here building energy for the Trump campaign?

              🤔

              • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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                710 months ago

                If me saying what everyone is already predicting is “building energy for the Trump campaign” then you truly are fucked.

                • @millie@beehaw.org
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                  610 months ago

                  And yet you’re still spending your limited time on Earth seemingly doing everything you can to maintain that narrative! Weird!

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                Bruh… You have to stop this tactic of accusing people who are legitimately worried about Biden losing of boosting Trump. There are no potential-Trumpers here.

                You are attacking the person instead of engaging with their argument. It’s just ad hominem.

                • @jarfil@beehaw.org
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                  You’re right, except for this:

                  There are no potential-Trumpers here.

                  Technically, there is no reason to assume that. Pro-[anything] can create an account on any federated instance and participate in all available communities, not necessarily in an obvious way.

                  For example, some days ago someone created an account on a federated instance, exclusively to respond to a comment of mine from 1 year ago.

                  This it still the Internet, even if a somewhat calmer part of it.

    • @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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      310 months ago

      Or hear me out, they can just gaslight us more. That’ll turn things around for sure.

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          510 months ago

          The pattern of Biden defenders saying everything is ok and this is a campaign by nefarious elites rather than a very broad concern across the whole swath of the party. The problem isn’t people saying they think Biden is going to lose, the problem is Biden is going to lose.

          • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            410 months ago

            Ah, I get what you mean. Yes the other person started acting like In was some Republican partisan for saying that the odds are stacked pretty high against Democrats (and I didn’t want to answer his call to action for Democrats since I’m not even American). It’s weird, sorta cultish behavior. If the campaign now relies on keeping their heads in the sand then they’re absolutely fucked. That’s now way to win anything.