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- cross-posted to:
- europe@feddit.de
The results are showing up… Now we have to hope for the law to be declined… Already discussed about the chat control law of the EU, here : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106
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We need more censorship-resistant, private, decentralized communication protocols. We need them to be widespread enough that lawmakers see censoring/controlling them as technically impossible and politically unwise. That means they need to be easy to use for the average person so we can get sufficient adoption. Donate to your software of choice, that’s how it happens.
This is kinda how Bitcoin is. Even if a nation-sate wants to “ban” it or attack the network, the network is gonna keep working and doing its thing (technically impossible) and they will piss off a bunch of voters and/or other keys to political power and potentially lose out on businesses and jobs building in this sector (politically unwise). The CCP tried to ban Bitcoin some years ago, did not work at all, and the network wasn’t nearly as strong or large as it is today.
Doesn’t scanning before upload imply the encryption is broken somewhere? Is that the point, to remove encryption? Forgive my naivete.
For sure! The EU will tell to the apps to backdoored their encryption to accept this law. For example Google, Meta and Microsoft are okay with it if it is implemented. And Signal would leave the EU market.
I thought the chat control law idea kinda died already
political elites in Europe are afraid and fear upheavals are coming in the coming years and months because of the cost of living crisis and the war. They try to clamp down beforehand to preserve their own power. This always happens when things go bad. The leash is kept looser when people behave and it’s tightened again when the opposite happens. There is no real freedoms that is given to the people by the elites, because what concessions they give willingly they can just as easily take away when they no longer feel like it. Provided that they think they can get away with it.
It’s not just European elites who are afraid of upheaval. It’s all of them. It’s one of the reasons why they all have bunkers, why Zuckerberg is building another one in Hawaii recently. They know that we can actually do something about them because we outnumber them by a lot, so they build these systems of control. Governments, corps, elites have all become noticeably more brazen in the past several years.
This is why we shouldn’t let such people to the government in the first place. Anyone who believes in “patriotism” and “national interest” (that appears to be 99% of people in the democratic world) will disagree though. It’s a matter of double standards, lack of understanding and care at this point
That’s right, first try to vote and be listen.
nope, they’ll vote on it again in the few weeks. if it passes, e2ee messengers will be required to scan images on device before sending them. you will be able to not agree to that, but then you won’t be able to send or receive media and links, only text.
Here are the first vote results https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712
Great, so I’m seing this right that everyone is voting Yes?
That’s it, only the green party is “okay”
Why is this not headline number 1 in every newspaper? It can’t get any more dystopian than that. Why does nobody care, god damnit…
Why it’s not number 1? Because people are using SMS, Messenger and Instagram chats…
You’re right this world is crazy, they should talk about the right things…
Is it true it’s already implemented by google, meta…?
No it’s not implemented but they would implemented this backdoor if the law pass
But why can’t you just use software from GitHub or F-Droid or something that doesn’t have to obey these laws? Is it illegal?
good luck getting everyone you know to communicate with you with “software from GitHub or F-Droid or something”. I’m having a hard time making people try out Signal, which is freely available on the major app stores (and which, by the way, has declared that they’ll leave the EU market if one device scanning will be enforced on them).
I think this would give me a reason to tell my contacts why I refuse from now on to use whatsapp for instance. I could say something like whatsapp now scans every single photo you send, therefore I won’t use it so contact me on some other place.
Good luck with it, mister/miss
Thank you, good luck to you too
That’s sad but try to “afraid” a bit that’s almost the only way to convinced non-privacy guy to switch…
Sorry, what does “unfraid” mean?
Afraid sorry
Signal is great but lack some points, like the requirement of the mobile number or the centralisation of the servers
okay, but that’s not relevant to what I’m talking about here.
Right sorry
I wasn’t even talking about such cases. I was talking about people who need really secure and private communication in that particular comment
In fact it would be illegal but you wouldn’t take risks by using them. But the authorities could make them shut down one by one
They can’t if you use a VPN and the app is not in their jurisdiction
That would be difficult for sure but in fact it would be illegal
I don’t care if it’s illegal if the law violates people’s privacy tbh
I understand totally but it is better to stop this law as soon as possible
What does “scan” mean here?
I read that and hoped for further information.
In fact it would be “scanned” by AI for searching all the kinda sexual, abusive stuff… In fact to protect children
But the link described it as if it’ll do database matching to find well-known images.
That’s why it’s a scan, like done apple with their gallery. Scan signatures, AI recognition etc…
Never, they’ll try again and again with different names, covered by different purposes and stuck to another law.
They try every year…
It is cute that they think they can regulate the use of math and how the internet can be used.
lol
Right
I sent my friend “ax4uol4wj83birqti336mk92mu8” and that’s what he got
Hahaha
Lol Facebook was too dumb to even share my father’s posts when he joined. Just kept spamming me with rage bait and posts from someone obnoxious I met at a party years before and never really had a real contact with. How is this company supposed to detect anything? To me it’s just a cesspool that provides a few people with power.
Let’s imagine the error rate would be 0%, anonimity is a right and none of the privacy tools are broken, would you be on board with it? Or are there concerns I am missing here.
That’s why the EU wants to control the chats. They would ask to software producers to backdoor their apps, and Meta Google and Microsoft would be OK with it.
You mean like a secret power motive? I’ve never sought that in the EU. Would appreciate any references.
Read this how it affects you text : https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#how-does-this-affect-you
All of your chat conversations and emails will be automatically searched for suspicious content. Nothing remains confidential or secret. There is no requirement of a court order or an initial suspicion for searching your messages. It occurs always and automatically.
Intelligence services and hackers may be able to spy on your private chats and emails. The door will be open for anyone with the technical means to read your messages if secure encryption is removed in order to be able to screen messages.
Hmm I’m not under that impression, at least not from the parliament. I’m unfamiliar with the dynamic between the commission and the parliament but it might be that the commission tends to state what’s possible and the parliament then picks what they want.
It’s not a backdoor as far as I understand it and it doesn’t compromise e2ee, but a scan on a system you trust. Local or on a server you trust.
The only issue I personally have is with the error rate. It seems to be at 80%. Personally I would find any level of error a problem. I don’t see any reasonable solution with our current tech.
The only is avoid centralized chats, using decentralized encrypted ones. For all those which use Watsfuck and others like these Google-Zuckerbot derivates it makes anyway no difference if the EU scan or not their chats, especially using stock iPhone or Android.
That’s right but the EU wants to break the E2EE encryption for its power
Yeah, wait for it. Even in China they are not cappable to control all the privacy tricks and measures for messages by the users. Where there is a law, there is also a trick to go around it, I doubt very much that they manage to control more than the usual chat apps, the effort would be economically unaffordable to do it also in decentralized or even on self-hosted private networks.
I know that the law is almost impossible to apply but first we have to stop it, if they gain the power of reading trough WhatsApp and else, they could ask for more after
Asking and being capable to do it are two different things.
