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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.
Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
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You can recommend what you like. As soon as Windows 10 can’t play the latest games I’m off to Linux.
Eat my whole ass, Microsoft.
Come on over, the water is fine. I switched to Pop_OS a few months back for the gaming rig and Proton+Steam works almost flawlessly. Older titles sometimes have hiccups, but so far ive only been blocked on one title.
Yep it’s pretty easy and my computer runs so much faster than Windows on the same machine.
Windows running on a VM under linux runs faster than windows on bare metal …
Not for me, but that might have been a slight exaggeration.
You joke but it actually boots faster in a VM for me than on bare metal. And that’s with fastboot enabled. Would love to know why!
the best jokes have a kernel of truth.
The VM is optimised for the OS, the OS is usually a fresh install with just that 1 program you need to use instead of you’re entire life scattered across the desktop, it can be a snapshot of the system in an optimal state right after running an unfuck windows script that removes default system malware which doesn’t let it reinstall, it has less system resources to deal with for the simple fact it can’t use them all at the same time as the base OS.
Probably a BIOS that has a very well known hardware configuration. It doesn’t have to worry about weird legacy shit, it’s only ever going to be the VM hardware. (Plus whatever you pass through, but I imagine the BIOS doesn’t care, or if it does it’ll slow it back down).
I just switched from W10 to Pop_OS and have had lots of trouble. I’m trying to stick with it but from audio glitches to many games not running unless I find a random CLI arg that someone mentioned on Reddit, to my UI freezing, it’s not been an easy switch.
Any chance you have an nvidia card? Nvidia for a long time has been in a worse spot on Linux than AMD, which interestingly is the inverse of Windows. A lot of AMD users complain of driver issues on Windows and swap to Nvidia as a result, and the exact opposite happens on Linux.
Nvidia is getting much better on Linux though, and Wayland+explicit sync is coming down the pipeline. With NVK in a couple years it’s quite possible that nvidia/amd Linux experience will be very similar.
I wish I still had my AMD card but it decided to brick itself for no apparent reason after it made horrible humming noises whenever it chose to ever since I bought it. I have an Nvidia card now and haven’t had a single issue on Windows yet, but maybe my days are counted to the moment I switch to Linux.
Yeah I’m on a 3070, I thought Pop had improvements for Nvidia stuff which is why I chose it.
it’s not a drop in replacement and anyone looking for one will be disappointed by literally anything available.
You’re learning an entirely new operating system, don’t think of it as an upgrade, this is a time sink. You’ll be under the hood more than on the road for the foreseeable future, but what’s the alternative?
I get that, and I love Linux, it’s just annoying to see people say that they switched with 0 issues and trying to sell it off like people won’t have problems.
I don’t understand why people can’t simply believe that someone could actually have very little issues with performance or settings after switching.
What About™ people who have issues when installing windows, as if that never happens.
I put both kinds of operating systems on a myriad of computers and sometimes it’s smooth sailing and sometimes it’s like stepping on rake after rake.
Its not that I don’t believe it, rather they are “selling” Linux as if there won’t be any problems, but whoever is making the switch will have to learn about troubleshooting. That’s a good thing, but something that they should be aware of.
I don’t really have a problem with “selling” Linux. You gotta take all things with a dose of skepticism.
Has anyone ever recommended a product of any complexity as an OS and then also listed all of the common issues people might encounter? When people talk about a product they like, of course it will highlight the positive things, but anyone who has ever touched a computer, hobbyist or not, knows these things might sometimes shit the bed in unexpected ways. I think that’s common sense.
Windows is said to have less problems, but the cryptic errors and non descriptive “wait while we do something” message without any other output actually makes solving problems harder. It has more users, so luckily that means someone out there probably has the issue documented so solutions are easier to find.
I use both, at home primarily Linux, at work primarily Windows. I had troubles in both that caused serious headaches, but generally they both work without too much problems.
This might have been a bit rambling 😅
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Try bazzite? It’s been cool with my setup. Intel processor with GTX 1660 ti.
Mint has been cool too! on a laptop with a 1650 on it
I’ve seen a lot of people recommending Pop_OS lately. Out of curiosity, what’s the benefit over something like Mint?
I’ll try to offer an answer to both you and @natedog526.
Pop came heavily recommended for a while because it’s relatively light-weight for a modern desktop, had some fresh UI ideas with its COSMIC plugins for Gnome, and ships with some nice bonuses for gamers like built in Steam and Nvidia setup scripts.
Unfortunately, it’s become pretty stale lately. I still use it daily on my main desktop, but lately it’s becoming harder and harder to keep from hopping to something new. A few pain points include Pop shipping older version of some important software like the Kernel, Wine, and Mesa, persistsant audio bugs like the other user mentioned, and basically no support for Wayland at the moment.
A lot of these are because System76 has been heavily focused working on its COSMIC desktop, which should function a full standalone desktop environment instead of Gnome with duct tape. It’s looking forward to seeing it which has so far kept me from switching, but with no release date and other distros offering what Pop offers, it’s harder and harder to stay put.
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Curious about this too. I was gonna spend some time trying some different distros. Both mint and PopOs are on my list.
If iRacing and my other sim racing gear worked with Linux I’d make the switch asap. I already have popOS on another hard drive and everything other than iRacing has worked well
Yup, similar boat but with planes instead of cars. Most inputs Linux can support on a single usb device is 86 or so, my throttle alone has well over 150 buttons on it. Add in all the stuff for my sim cockpit (probably around 1000 buttons), my haptic feedback chair, and then VR… as much as I’d like to use Linux, I don’t think it’d be possible for the foreseeable future for me to switch.
I switched to Pop!_OS about 3 months ago and have been loving it! First Linux distribution that just worked for me, and every app works better than any other Linux or Windows 11 on the same hardware.
I did the same a few months back. No problems so far. Some older games require switching up the compatibility layer occasionally but no deal breakers so far.
Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed right now and it’s great!
We need a successful replacement to DirectX for this to happen.
Look how desperate they are now for their web browser, imagine when people start abandoning Windows because there are other options that work just as well. I can’t wait.
We already do?
DXVK and VKD3D have been translating DirectX 9-12 to Vulkan for a while now, allowing DirectX games and applications to run on hardware and/or operating systems that don’t support DirectX.
Intels ARC GPUs don’t even support DirectX on a hardware level, like it’s just straight up not there. Intels drivers instead just translate it to Vulkan, and their at times insane FPS boosts from driver updates was due to them improving that translation and getting closer to 1:1 performance.
At times, yes. But at most times, no. Certain games can capitalize on ARC and I was just as enthusiastic as everyone else when it first started making the rounds. But theres a reason the cards haven’t caught on and most people seem to rely on them more for offloading things like streaming and AV1 encoding/decoding
They’re new.
I didn’t claim they’re worth recommending yet. AFAIK they’re pretty great now, and with more issues worked out on the hardware side, Battlemage has great potential.
Linux can play most games nowadays. You can check if your games are compatible and to what extend they are not here https://www.protondb.com/
I haven’t touched my Windows PC since the steam deck came out. If you only care about games you don’t need Windows.
It’s funny seeing this every couple of years. People get up in arms about something with Windows, some switch to Linux because they outgrew Windows and the time was right. By now I think you guys could be primary source of Linux users.
Yeah, I’m guilty of this tbh. It’s just the massive unknown of leaving something you’ve been so close to for literally the majority of my life.
It’s scary!
Give pop-os a try if you’re running an nvidia. It was very much plug and play with my laptop and it works great.
Why not start today, man? It’s good to practice.
Uncertainty, really.
What distro works with my setup: 3700x and rtx 4090?
Folks will say arch.
But honestly any modern Linux system with 3rd party drivers will work. Mint pop_os arch Manjaro Debian Ubuntu etc
I’m running a 1660 and an i5 64xx on kubuntu 24.04 Granted that stuff is older but you’ll have the same experience.
Unless you’re running the absolute bleeding edge… You’ll not have a lot of problems.
*Ymmv of course but majority of folks won’t have issues.
The the Arch software repos are incredible and the Arch Wiki is, quite frankly, a work of art that should be celebrated with the same reverence as the Mona Lisa or David’s uncircumcised cock.
But anyone recommending Arch to a Linux newbie needs a psych evaluation.
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve read stories to the effect of, “yeah, a regular package update bricked my desktop, but I just rolled my face across the keyboard and recompiled the offending software and got back to work, no big deal.”
Cool. I’m so glad you can do that my guy, I really am. But how the hell do you expect average computer user to figure that out? The first time a software update leaves them at a command prompt with some cryptic GDM error message or a Nvidia kernel panic or something, they’re going running back to Billy Gates’ warm walled garden embrace. Shit, I like to think I’m half competent with Linux and I’d shit myself if that happened to me.
EDIT: Sorry, @7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I didn’t nessicarily mean to direct any of that to you specifically, it’s sort of just my standard copy pasta whenever I see Arch reccomded.
Haha I agree arch is the meme recommendation. It has its benefits like you’ve detailed out… but it’s not for a windows convert. I’ve ran it, it can require more fiddling than some of the other distros. Tinkering that newbies can’t do.
Me I’m an apt man. So I tend to suggest distros that center around that package manager… it just so happens that they are some of the newbie ones.
I once installed mint on my ex father in laws machine and it ran perfectly for ages for him (with auto updates) They were spending $$$s a quarter on windowa system cleanup due to viruses. As he was an online slot machine / junk flash game player. So of course he would get all the viruses. Once he went mint, he had 0 issues (with the os) the issues he had was more user error with online behavior.
Anyway. No problem for the gruffness of your reply, as I agree with what you’ve said. :)
This one is particularly harsh since win11 has ridiculous artificial hard stops on installation based on made up hardware requirements. Also it sucks.
This also makes it easy to block Win 10 from upgrading to 11, just disable tpm in BIOS. From where I’m sitting, that’s kinda convenient.
Ok, but where will you be be sitting on Oct. 15th 2025?
That’s a Oct 14th 2025 me’s problem
That’s where you grab a W10 Enterprise LTSC iso which has support until 2032.
Already got a surface running it.
Hol up. So m$ is still making the patches they’re just not releasing them to anyone but enterprise users? The whole end of service thing doesn’t actually free up any of their resources its just a soulless push for upgrade purchases?
Yep! 100% on the 👃
Where would you… find one of these? For a friend
There are a few copies floating around torrent sites.
Usually it’s sku conversion changes so it’s not an eval mode.
Or find a friendly neighborhood n3rd who might have one. 😉
Also you can entirely uninstall edge!
Dunno yet, sounds like future me’s problem. Mist likely some version of Linux unless win 11 drastically changes course (unlikely).
I imagine they’ll have backtracked on this decision long before then.
I’ve the newest AMD hardware available and I’m not able to upgrade. No idea what they want.
Hopefully you bought your fully assembled pc with an official Microsoft sticker already on the case right?
I’ve built the pc myself.
Lemmy probably isn’t the target audience for this, here’s the steps to bypass the MS account requirement when setting up W11:
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Configure your keyboard, but before you select your wifi network press Shift+(Fn)+F10 to open Command Prompt.
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Type in the following command and press enter. Your computer will reboot: oobe\bypassnro
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After the reboot, configure your keyboard and location settings, and click the option at the bottom of the page to say that you don’t want to connect to the internet
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Click the link on the next page to “Continue with limited setup”, then follow the prompts to enter a username and password.
If you use rufus to make a windows usb you can select to not require Microsoft account and bypass tpm right in the program, just get a windows 11 iso off the site instead of media creation tool
Having checked a few Reddit threads by the Rufus dev, this seems the way to go!
Thank you. Now that I’ve showed you my appreciation, are you fucking kidding me?
Lemmy is exactly the audience for this, thanks!
It just seems like there are are more Linux users because they’re constantly bleating about it in smug, self-congratulary comments
I wouldn’t try it for a permanent machine as it could backfire when Microsoft trys to enforce it and could lock up the machine somehow (because bigs not because evil corpo)
Also, if you have windows 11 pro, you can do:
Sign in options Domain join instead Make local account
If you have windows 11 home you can:
put no@thankyou.com Use whatever as the password Hit next after the error message Make local account
I do this shit at least three times a week at my job. It’s the fuckin worst.
Great mini guide.
I love the weasel words “continue with limited setup” that Microsoft uses.
I agree, but I find something else even more weasel-y and annoying when I’m adding a second user to an already-configured W11 computer. If I’m adding them as a local account without a Microsoft account, I’ll use Tab to navigate through the process of creating a username, password, and security questions. After the last security question, I’ll hit tab to navigate to the “Okay” button at bottom left of the window, which seems like a reasonable expectation. Instead, Windows will highlight the “Back” button at the bottom right. If you aren’t paying attention and hit enter or space bar, you have to start all the way back at the beginning.
I know that is a small dumb complaint, but when I’m setting 5 computers up in a row and tabbing through everything, my habits get the better of me, and I’ll have to redo it two or three times out of the five.
Legit complaint!
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This sounds like a problem for October 2025 me
October 2025 me: what the hell, why didn’t anyone tell me about this before!?!
Same.
And if it’s like the last four Windows updates, I’ll go right through EoL for a year or two, and finally upgrade because I wanted to play a specific video game, upgrade my graphic card, or it came free with my new PC.
Time to learn Linux!
The steam deck is walking so we can run.
thanks, lemmy
Yeah, that’s… people need to stop prescribing Linux to solve everything from minor glitches ti major cloud outages to marital issues and erectile dysfunction…
But this is actually a windows issue
most of the people who are getting fucked by this are not going to be “switching to linux” or anything like that
There’s thousands of machines in my hospital. They’re staying on Windows. They’re fully invested in the Azure ecosystem, and for what it’s worth, it works well, but that’s after what I imagine is hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in investments. This is what makes me wonder if we home power users just aren’t the target demographic anymore. They know Proton is catching up super quick, and I’m not sure they’re willing to compete. Is it even worth it for them?
Just want to preemptively state: THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. NONE OF US ARE QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
Azure is not tied to windows
yea see my comment here https://lemmy.world/comment/10252345
How do you know if someone is a Linux user? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you. Lump them in with Vegans and Crossfitters.
Excited to see the increase in Linux desktop usage.
I have an elderly friend that I will probably need to migrate as 1 of their 2 computers doesn’t support win11. I am fully able to migrate them, but I really want it themed(Plasma6 probably ) to look as much like 10 as they a dealing with cognitive decline and I don’t want to force them to relearn using their computer.
I need to start investigating, but I got over a year to do so. The other part is making sure the 2 pieces of proprietary software they use runs in wine. I expect both will, but need to check.
This is obviously something that developers probably don’t think about as much as an accessibility issue in general.
Yeah KDE Plasma looks and functions alot like W10.
I was thinking about this the other day. I support some very, very technologically limited users and I wondered if anyone out there is working on a distro/DE that looks and feels just enough like windows to get them by
I would never have considered this before they announced Recall. Now it feels like I’m waiting to see just how hard they push it
You might want to check our React OS.
It looks like Windows 10 is going to be my last Windows operating system. Thanks to Microsoft.
I installed Linux Mint for the first time the other day and I’m thoroughly enjoying myself.
Thanks M$ for getting me to enjoy my pc again, as a Linux.
This is what will push me over to Linux too, just will be procrastinate a bit because I don’t have lots of time to work out all the kinks
As a long time Windows user, my SSD just shat itself last week. MS has been pissing me off with the constant “upgrade to Windows 11” messages that I’ve finally taken steps to change over to Linux. My experience has been as follows:
- Ubuntu has been hot garbage, half the things I’ve tried don’t seem to work, and Gnome is hot garbage for a newcomer (this might just be an Ubuntu issue)
- My current distro, Debian with Cinnamon, is pretty good. I don’t want the cutting edge of OS, I just want something that works and won’t bug me for major updates every other month.
- There is a learning curve. No matter what anyone tells you, you will need to at least be able to google and copy and paste some terminal commands in Linux. Anything more is a bonus.
- Linux can have a really pretty GUI after popping in a few changes to the default setup.
- Gaming has actually been pretty smooth. 0 issues Lutrix running games from GoG and Steam is not bad even those without Linux support 👍🏾
Brand new Linux user and you already hate Ubuntu, welcome, you are fitting in perfectly already. Half the things didn’t work probably because of their dumb Snap garbage.
For anyone else reading this and thinking about trying linux for the first time, be sure to use Linux Mint. It will give you the smoothest and easiest experience, and you pretty much never need the terminal. It even comes with a really nice software store (but everything is free).
Second this. Wanted Linux as Windows user. Currently on Linux Mint, got it a few months now. Really easy to use, and allows you to experiment with the console if you’d like to, but almost never necessary. So far, I haven’t encountered any problems with it (apart from a total lock-out while trying some weird shit in the console with printer drivers, but printers are evil anyway, so I’ll give it a pass for now lmao)
Year Of The Linux Desktop
Ten years of support is not that bad actually. Having said that, Linux is better in almost every way.
Ten years of support is not that bad actually. Having said that, Linux is better in almost every way.
“Linux is better in every way except for those use cases specifically tailored by Microsoft & associates to not play ball with Linux”.
ftfy. Fuck corporations.
I think while this is true, it’s the time you have to switch over is much smaller.
Windows XP kept being supported until 2014, and up to that point you had Windows Vista (2007), Windows 7 (2009) and Windows 8 (2012). That’s 7 years users had to move over.
Even if you consider something like Windows 7 with a shorter support cycle ending in 2020, you had Windows 8 (2012) and Windows 10 (2015), giving you 8 years to cave in and upgrade.
Windows 11 came out in 2022, and you have 3 years not to just upgrade the OS, but in a lot of cases your hardware too. I think this is why everyone is feeling the squeeze moreso than previously.
Well this will be the month where I install PopOS
I’d recommend doing a dual boot sooner and slowly shifting your files & apps. It took me about 3 months to find a distro and desktop environment i like, get my apps or alternatives installed, and get used to it.
If you wait until EOL, you may be overwhelmed and frustrated, increasing the likelihood of calling quits and accepting Windows 11.
Thanks for the advice. I have run Fedora in the past so I have an idea of the alternatives I need. I will probably listen to your wisdom and dual boot
i cant access my laptops bios anymore tho after installing pop os
systemctl reboot --firmware-setupThat will reboot to UEFI setup instantly.
oh thank you i will try
I have been running Linux for some time now, still had a Windows partition for gaming. Then I switched the motherboard and windows decided I no longer had a key for it… I stopped playing most of the windows exclusive games. Since last week I can’t even boot anymore, something about missing drivers. Spent a day trying to fix it. Today I decided fuck it and I’m just leaving it behind! It makes no sense wasting so much energy on a vastly inferior OS that actively tries to fight me.
I have been running Linux for some time now,
Same. Windows 95 was the last MS install on my personal machine.
Of Note, Microsoft has a block on a lot of people moving to 11 without buying new computers. This will solidify their position as a corporate provider over personal devices and give more fuel to either Apple or Open Source.
What a coincidence. I had to install a W11 machine for a relative. The amount of backward decision in the first 20 minutes of checking the settings is mind boggling. Really? Can’t open the start menu on “all apps”? Not even an option?
I got a new machine and put windows on it and the amount of registry tweaks to get it even close to my windows 10 is ridiculous. Significantly more than what I had to do to 10 to make it a bit more like 7 back in the day. (I know i know get linux, but you can’t play Dragon Ball FighterZ online with linux and that’s the game I play the most)
Fortunately, the number of Linux compatible games is increasing, and companies are actually considering Linux support now for games. I doubt that particular game will get Linux multiplayer support (who knows!), but maybe the next game you get into will!
So for anyone else who reads this: give Linux a shot! If it doesn’t work for your games, try again in a year or so.
Oh 100% give Linux a try. I run pop-os on my 10 year old gaming laptop and it runs way better than it ever did on windows. I’m sure if I put Linux on my desktop it would be even better. I just play too much dbfz and the console version has way too much latency for me to have fun on it anymore
Windows has been more about telling you what you want instead of being intuitive for a few iterations now.
“Intuitive” is basically telling you what you want and being right about it.
The opposite of telling you what you want isn’t being intuitive, it’s being flexible and customizable.
Ok sure. But I think we can all agree when we click the start menu we don’t want “recommended” apps. I don’t want to click start and click apps to see the list.
I also can’t be the only one that hates clicking start or pressing the windows key and typing in “word” or something then have it taken a bazillion years to search the web, and have hit or miss results or whether it suggests the app or some shitty web results.
It’s also counter intuitive to remove features that already exist. Like right clicking the start button for useful shortcuts. Or right clicking the task bar for other things like the task manager (which they ended up bringing back, surprisingly). They also removed moving the task bar. These are things that already existed. They removed them. They didn’t need to rebuild them. They were deliberate.
