Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders have applauded the US for passing a vital €89 billion aid bill which has been struggling to make it through the House of Representatives for months.
The House swiftly approved roughly €89 billion in foreign aid for Ukraine, Israel and other US allies in a rare Saturday session as Democrats and Republicans banded together after months of hard-right resistance over renewed American support for repelling Russia’s invasion.
With an overwhelming vote, €57 billion in aid for Ukraine passed in a matter of minutes, a strong showing as American lawmakers race to deliver a fresh round of US support to the war-torn ally. Many Democrats cheered on the House floor and waved blue-and-yellow flags of Ukraine.
He doesn’t need to thank us, he deserves our thanks for fighting against fascism. Some of the best money the US has ever spent. Now, redirect all money from Israel to Ukraine.
Seriously, even if Israel wasn’t evil, it could still quite easily do whatever it’s doing by itself. Even if it wasn’t evil, it doesn’t need help doing what it does.
Yet here we are.
he deserves our thanks for fighting against fascism
Its 1980 again and my man is the Saddam Hussein of the 21st Century.
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Rofl… Are you at least paid for this shit? Cause if not… Imagine being so fucking dumb that you actually believe that shit and on top of that, instead of preaching somewhere where you’ve got a chance, you stay on Lemmy. It’s so fucking sad, man… can’t you see it? You’re trying to sell meat to a bunch of vegans, it’s hilarious.
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you actually believe that shit
So stupid you’re familiar with US history prior to 1991?
If you think the Saddam story is unbelievable, wait till you learn about Noriega.
It’s so fucking sad, man… can’t you see it?
Why do folks who want to sound incredulous just sound like they’re high as fuck?
If you think the Saddam story is unbelievable, wait till you learn about Noriega.
Yes we are all well aware that Republicans have a long history of appeasing dictators. Same as now.
Republicans have a long history of appeasing dictators
Not just Republicans…
The flood of weapons going into Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan is going to fuel the same kinds of conflicts that arms sold to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Jordan fueled 40 years ago.
When the building conflict between Poland and Ukraine goes hot…
When some of the enormous third-party arms market ramped up in these countries spills into neighboring Egypt and Turkey…
When someone with a MANPADS and nefarious intent gets within striking distance of a civilian airport…
Shit is going to pop off in a way folks just watching TV and clapping for their favorite team simply aren’t prepared for.
You’re correct about the missteps of US foreign policy.
But your argument is a nonstarter because the people you’re talking about were literal dictators in authoritarian systems.
Ukraine is literally fighting to engage with the liberal West, over authoritarian East, against a foreign aggressor. And it’s done a very good job of keeping and even improving its democratic institutions through this war (I’m referring more to transparency of laws and changes to how corruption is dealt with, specifically).
the people you’re talking about were literal dictators in authoritarian systems
We’re heading dick first into the meat grinder of another Trump administration. And that’s nationally. Nevermind all the tinpot governors we’ve got running around the Gulf Coast and Midwest. What do you think happens when they’re back in charge of the national military again?
That’s before we get into the finer points of “authoritarianism” when you’re funding a proxy war overseas by rubber stamping a government takeover of a social media company at home.
Ukraine is literally fighting to engage with the liberal West, over authoritarian East, against a foreign aggressor. And it’s done a very good job of keeping and even improving its democratic institutions through this war
They’re in a turf war over the Donbas. But the deadline for elections in the Ukraine was constitutionally mandated for March 31st of 2024. We’re three weeks past that with no plans for a vote in sight. I would say Ukraine is officially off the board as a “liberal democracy”, at least as long as martial law lasts. And with the new arms shipment looking to close off the possibility of a ceasefire, that suggests elections are postponed indefinitely.
Why do folks who want to sound incredulous just sound like they’re high as fuck?
That’d be your inner narrative embellishing fucking reality with filigree and lace to fit your shit-ass perspective.
Jim Jefferies said it best: “That’s the problem with crazy people; they don’t know they’re crazy”. Way to illustrate his insightful point by telling us you hear our voices in your head, dumbass.
That’d be your inner narrative
Sure thing, Cheech.
I see a Republican shaking hands with a dictator. Exactly like the Butcher Putin appeasers now.
They posted a picture of Obama and Clinton. They aren’t Republicans
Next, you’ll misinterpret 1984 to describe this as a “we were always at war with Oceania” moment".
Its 1980 again and my man is the Saddam Hussein of the 21st Century.
Yes we know Butcher Putin is your man. And yes he is a lot like that other tyrant dictator.
Yes we know Butcher Putin is your man.
Me and my close friend, Vladdy Daddy.
Two western proxies, Israel and Ukraine, holding off two supermember states of the modern Axis of Evil/Group of Friends: Russia and Iran. Gaza and the West Bank are to Iran what Belarus and Crimea are to Russia, just further along; Russia already has a working nuclear weapons program and have parked nukes in Belarus and taken over reactors in Crimea. Nobody is going to let Iran get that far. Russia says they are fighting fascism, too. Why do you believe it when Iran says it but not Russia?
You do understand that Israel is the aggressor here? Yeab yeah, they had a huge terror attack. After 50 years of continued treating Palestinians like shit and randomly killing them whenever they want, stealing their land, and so on, they (foolishly) strike back and give Israel a bloody nose. Yes, on the personal level, it’s a huge tragedy, but on the level of a country, they got a fucking bloody nose. They then proceed to commit genocide, murder thousands of children… You’d think that of there is a single country that knows better, that it would be Israel, but alas, here we are.
Iran is basically being opportunistic here, bit also just responded to Israel bombing it’s embassy. All Ayers here are dirty as shit but You CAN’T claim Israel is even remotely a hero in any of this. Israelites are just happily stealing more land.
Nah I don’t see it that way at all. Gaza’s political and community leaders put their kids in harm’s way and and then celebrate their deaths as “martyrs,” which is just coded speech for “human shields used by fanatical warlords to increase the human price of Israel’s strikes against Hamas members and the hundreds of miles of tunnels they built under neighborhoods and schools.” Lying about it to everyone and coming to the international community with crocodile tears is the only weapon for Hamas and it’s many pan-Islamist ideological allies, other than straight up hostage-taking, indiscriminate rocket attacks, mass shootings, and suicide bombings.
Hamas would scuttle the tunnels and surrender if they had any concern about human lives in Gaza, other than their own. Maybe Gaza could have elections and international ports of entry again, bring in all the food and medicine they want, you know, if they had a legitimate legal system and government, if they ever even one single time treat a war criminal as a criminal instead of as a hero, maybe they could develop an economy based on something other than spending everything on weapons to kill Jews while the entire population is malnourished and living philanthrope-to-philanthrope.
Don’t need to think Israel is the heroes to understand, as a country, it has redeeming qualities.
Last time Palestine held an election the elected officials were in favor of maintaining peace with Israel. Then the Israeli government came in and kidnapped or killed the elected officials. They were replaced with unelected, not pro peace officials, and here we are, no more elections, no more peace.
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Fuck Russian scum, I hope the US missiles and tanks fuckin hurt. Putin is a goatfucker too.
Fuck Russian scum
This should be banned for hate based on national origin
You have more in common with the Russian working class that is being sent to die in Ukraine than you have in common with American billionaires.
Putin, Russian Oligarchs, and American Oligarchs are your enemies. Not the common Russian men that are conscripted against their will to die for no reason
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Cry harder that the Soviet Union collapsed and left the majority of Russian males a bunch of hopeless drunks obeying a piece of shit dictator like Putin. Cry harder that Ukraine resisted an unwarranted invasion based on fear of Russia’s continually waning power. Cry harder that Wagner almost kicked Putin’s ass and caused the Kremlin to have to backtrack.
When I say “fuck Russian scum”, there are plenty of good hearted Russians, but the scum, fuck them. Putin is scum, btw, a piece of shit goat-fucking wannabe BITCH.
the Soviet Union collapsed and left the majority of Russian males a bunch of hopeless drunks obeying a piece of shit dictator like Putin
If that’s true, then aren’t they victims of the lottery of birth who deserve our compassion and pity? There but for the grace of God go you or I; we could have easily been born in Russia instead of here - and would be suffering the consequences accordingly
Putin’s actions are a seperate issue. But the common Russians are largely blameless for the actions of their country
If that’s true, then aren’t they victims of the lottery of birth who deserve our compassion and pity?
Did I say they don’t deserve compassion or pity? Deserving of it they may be, that alone might be even more insulting to them than what I said. One thing that didn’t change from Soviet era is that everyone must follow the political platform with a figurative gun to their head. It’s ok to say that the Russian invasion is wrong, and the US’s missiles and tanks will be blasting servicemen to bits who do not deserve to be blown to bits, but they will be violently killed, as it is a war.
Asking them nicely to stop invading isn’t going to work.
The republican traitor filth should be sent to the front
Its curious to see someone propose that the punishment for opposing a war is to fight in it. But the reward for supporting the war is to profit from it.
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If this war is so important to you, why are you not over there right now fighting instead of a conscripted Ukrainian?
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Oh wow, what a unique insult…
Oh geez…you’re spending way too much time on Lemmy/Reddit…Republicans are all in favor of helping Ukraine, they’re just more careful about sending billions and billions and it becomes an endless money pit…that shit happens all the time, and the Republicans are the “traitors” for questioning why and where all the money is being sent. If it was up to Democrats, there’d be NO questions… just send money!
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Who cares what Russia says? They’re also claiming Ukraine is rightfully there’s…the point is to make sure the funds are doing what they’re supposed too. If both sides just say “here, take whatever you want!” what good is that? It’s about checks and balances, we don’t want this to turn into another Vietnam…
That’s not what the republicans blocking the aid have been saying: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497
Here’s the facts:
- freedom is hard and expensive
- the conservative “I got mine;fuck you” doesn’t work when it’s ‘others’ in need; it doesn’t even work when it’s poorer Americans in need
- the sea lion questioning is a stalling tactic; always has been.
- Republicans can’t even keep a Senate leader, and this guy was right up their seditious theocratic enslaving-women hell-hole alley. They will readily agree to nothing that doesn’t fit their cruel and narrow ideological dependencies.
It always was going to BE a money pit, as that’s the alternative to Normandy and ditching the UN shackles (which is a terrible idea but required).
Time to spend 1/10th as much on Ukraine’s military as America spends on its own, and solve this shit.
Good points, with noting that the aid to Ukraine can easily be justified from a selfish perspective. The fact that it’s also a truly just cause isn’t really part of the equation for a lot of those politicians.
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Hey man, I’m all in favor in helping Ukraine, I think we should absolutely do what we need to do…as do most Republicans. However, if history has taught us anything, it’s also that we cannot be an endless money pit for European affairs. I have no issues giving Ukraine money, but I think it’s always a good thing to question everything.
if history has taught us anything,
…it is that appeasement causes far greater problems in the long term. We need Churchill not Chamberlain.
Exactly Bernie Sanders’ reasons behind his view on foreign policy and why that money should go to improving the well-being of those that work for it.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I thought Lemmy’s self-proclaimed left-wingers loved Bernie. Apparently they hate him now.
“First, it is imperative that we support Ukraine’s valiant effort to defend itself against Putin’s invasion. If Ukraine falls, it will be a signal to Putin that he can continue to expand his authoritarian aggression against democratic nations” -Bernie Sanders
What does that quote have to do with anything?
There is no correlation. You can be fully supportive of Ukraine and be fully supportive of US expenditure being domestically focused, cautious of foreign aid plans, exactly ZK686’s position as well.
Yes. Bernie massively supports Ukraine. Obviously.
But, Bernie was also part of the reason the bill kept being delayed.
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Sanders, Welch Break with Democrats to Vote ‘No’ on Israel, Ukraine Aid Package - sanders.senate.gov
And why was that? Well, now we’re finally back on topic… Sanders has always been opposed to foreign aid and foreign policy when American public are in need. This especially to not emptying money with no plan into “a bottomless pit.” If you’ve somehow missed it in his speeches and debates over the decades, you can read more about it in his letter which specifically covers this topic amongst others…
It is mirroring what ZK686 is saying.
But because ZK686 seems to have identified as a republican from “the other tribe”, when they say it it’s horseshit and woffle and we get the spears and rocks out, amiright?
This place sometimes. Absolute circus… Every village has its idiots; whether red or blue makes no difference.
I’m genuinely thankful you’ve made it this obvious how much of a fucking moron you are as I can block you immediately and get on with my day.
Let me guess, only left politics and democrats are your happy place? God forbid anyone disagrees…
Anybody who will actually take the time to read your comment by this point knows you’re full of shit. Republicans aren’t the party of fiscal responsibility. The only situation in which they actually care about saving money is if it saves money for their 1% handlers.
So, there should NO questioning funds that are sent all over the world? The US should just say “here, take whatever you want!”
Funding this proxy war is probably the absolute smartest thing the US could do. The Ukrainians are badasses (read up on their ice fortress revolution in 2014) and are fighting for their homeland. Russia is our second most powerful adversary in the world (and are far more adversarial with us than China) and this war is draining their morale and economy.
Now I have you tagged as “liar”
Why are you being down voted? Is this place becoming an I support the current thing place too?
If the current thing is the least worst option, then yes. If you can’t see it’s about least-worst and not branding, you may need to repeat some courses.
It might be a commentary on critical thinking, who knows? Definitely not you!
Critical thinking was not taught to me in school or university. Just memorize, spew nonsense to score more points on ‘analysis’ questions and google the fuck out of everything.
Yes, it’s Reddit 2.0: “This is a Liberal/Democrat site ONLY!”
Hey, Republicans, do y’all remember Red Dawn? Those two movies you made about The USSR and Russia being the ultimate evil enemy that was going to invade and must be stopped? You do? Good.
My real question is, why in the name of all that is Murican, ARE YOU ACTIVELY HELPING RUSSIA WITH THEIR ILLEGAL AND UNPROVOKED INVASION‽‽‽
“Red Dawn” is the most compelling reminder here…?
I know several conservatives that swore that movie was a very probable scenario in the 80s-00s. AFAIK they’ve all left the party.
I just figured instead of a mildly popular cold war era fictional book/movie, a better reminder would be the, you know, cold war.
Well if “several conseravtives” believed it…
Republicans are not helping anyone, you’re spending too much time on here buddy. Republicans simply want accountability for the aid. They ask questions, because if it was up to the Democrats, they’d just send, send, send…
Well, you’re half right…
“Republicans are not helping anyone”
They’re helping me. I’ve worked my ass off for what I have in life…it seems to me that the only party that continues to have their hands out are Democrats.
So you’re in the 1%. Cause if you’re not that’s blatantly incorrect.
Nice try comrade. There are so many Republicans bought and paid for by Russian oligarchy dirty money it’s hard to tell the difference now. How does it feel to be a traitor to the United States for your butt buddies in Moscow? Confederates, all of you.
They ask questions, because if it was up to the Democrats, they’d just send, send, send…
Sounds like you, who rolled all up and down this thread and c&ped this same bullshit and hit “send send send”.
want accountability for the aid.
The accountability is that Ukraine will lose their country and their lives to Putin’s Evil Empire if they don’t win the war. Why do you hate freedom and the Free World?
Any way to give Ukraine 2-4 years worth of stuff at a time?
What would be the end goal other than waste all of our money to get more people dead?
Not at the rate they use it up. The Ukraine military budget has historically been measured in billions ($4-5B/annually going back to the end of the USSR). We’ve been giving them traunches of aid in the $50-100B range for the last three years. And that’s not including the logistical support we’ve provided out of the Pentagon’s baseline budget.
2-4 years of Ukraine aid at the current scale would be on the order of trillions of dollars. That’s what we’re spending to play tag in Bakhmut at the cost of hundreds of lives a month. Not even what it would cost to “win” back the Donbas (or what would be left of it) in its entirety. Never even mind Crimea.
Now the Senate still has to pass the bills. Hopefully this will work out.
Hey, no problem Big Z, I didn’t need healthcare, schools, or infrastructure anyways :)
Bad move. The smart thing to do would be to say “No backsies” just in case this election goes tits up.
What?
If Trump wins he might fuck around with the aid for personal political gain as he did during his presidency. I guess people already forgot when Trump was essentially was asking Zelensky to investigate Biden in exchange for aid.
I am amazed at the downvotes this comment (and the one child comment that got the joke got)… In November there’s a chance Trump is elected and when he comes into office it’s likely he arbitrarily holds up any aide that hasn’t already been sent.
Yeah, I legit don’t get it. It’s a funny joke that makes a good point.
Looool
Now he can afford the higher quality coke again
As an anticolonialist, shouldn’t you oppose Russian attempts to colonize Ukraine?
No, silly, only America does colonialism /s.
Who here is defending Russia?
As if Ukraine was at some point NOT a colony of Russia…
Now Putin’s Evil Empire will be fucked.
Did Zelensky really think the US wouldn’t take another chance to play war games? Nah, we like instability too much. Can’t have Russia gaining too much power/resources now. Sorry we’re late, as usual.
“half” of the political interest in this nation would have preferred to not give Ukraine a penny and allow Russia to take what they want.
Right now there is a very real risk that the USA will stop coming to their aid. I am ASHAMED as a US citizen that right now we’re hemming and hawing about getting involved.
My entire fucking life has been war on foreign soil and NOW when we have a chance to be the honest to god fucking good guys and half of the nation would rather restrict human rights then defend them, it’s sickening.
I feel this, it pisses me off so much. The scumbags are jingoistic as fuck up until the conflict is an ANTI-imperialist one.
the conflict is an ANTI-imperialist one
The conflict has become a litmus test on the left for if someone is actually anti imperialist, or if they just dislike the West
The war is already happening regardless of what the us does. Would you rather we just sit back and let Russia destroy ukraine?
Lots of hate for how the US does business here. But of course I want them to help Ukraine in the end. Doesn’t make all of their politics right. It’s all a big game and if you don’t believe that you’re sadly naive. Our politicians are addicted to the game of chess, it’s not just the power.
Apparently my main point is getting buried. I agree.
That image is very likely to be fake, btw.
I’m American, and can say it’s likely real. There were strong calls for isolationism after WWI. The US waited over two years to join the allies in WWII. It’s important to know of our government’s failures as well as successes, or we face repetition.
The Holocaust Memorial Museum disagrees.
Then the museum is wrong. WWII began September 1, 1939, when Germany invaded Poland. The US entered in response to the bombing of Pearl Harbor which occurred on December 7, 1941, over two years later.
Prove it.
Republicans are not against aid, and they ARE NOT in bed with the Russians. This is just ignorant talk by people on Lemmy and Reddit. Republicans want accountability about all the money that is being sent all over the fucking place. If it was up to Democrats, they’d just send, send, send…no questions asked. Keep in mind that Ukraine was once considered one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, so yea, let’s just keep sending them billions and billions without making sure the money is actually being used for what it’s supposed too…
How’s that boot tasting?
Republicans want accountability about all the money
How idiotic can you get?? The accountability is that Ukraine will lose their country and their lives to Putin’s Evil Empire if they lose the war. So stop with the nonsense.
Remember that guy George Bush that you voted for? When he sent $8 billion in US currency to Iraq that was instantly stolen, did you or any other Republican raise a finger? NOPE.
Keep in mind that Ukraine was once considered one of the most corrupt countries on the planet
Nope. Russia is considered 10x more corrupt. Ukraine is somewhere near the median of 200 countries.
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