Carmakers are equipping their latest models with fancy touchscreens, but that could cause problems with Europe’s largest car safety authority.

The European New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP) is revamping its rating system starting Jan. 1, 2026 to mandate that five of a car’s primary controls — its horn, windshield wipers, turn signals, hazard warning lights and SOS features — will need physical buttons or switches.

Car models will have to comply to get NCAP’s coveted five-star rating. The scheme is voluntary but is heeded by most automakers because it’s closely monitored by consumers.

Belgium-based NCAP says that purely digital controls are a potential safety issue.

    • @xpinchx@lemmy.world
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      351 year ago

      I’m sincerely appreciative of everything they do for consumers as a whole. Not everything makes it across the pond but at the very least it sets precedent and a lot of the groundwork is done if our politicians ever decide to get their shit together and give us a ground to stand on against corporations and lobbyists.

      A guy can dream.

    • я не из калининграда
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      -51 year ago

      except of course for the blatant racism against non-western people, the current shift towards neofash politics (meloni etc), the militarization and the impeding economic collapse.

      how do liberals manage to ignore problems so efficiently?

      • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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        except of course for the blatant racism against non-western people, the current shift towards neofash politics (meloni etc), the militarization and the impeding economic collapse.

        All of which already happen in the US, but worse.

        The entire world sucks, can’t we be happy of living in a place that sucks a bit less?

        • я не из калининграда
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          11 year ago

          i do acknowledge that that things are worse in the us, but that doesnt make the deficiencies in europe any better. one shouldnt just accept that the world sucks, but start fighting for a better one. just look at cubas success

          • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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            31 year ago

            We are fighting for a better one. All those recent EU regulations are doing exactly that.

            I’d love if we could address those issues you’ve listed too, since they’re obviously more important, but it seems really hard until the european left actually wakes up and starts promoting actual candidates.

      • Racism? Sure there is some racism but Europe is hella diverse bro.

        I live in the UK and I’m proud that Manchester is multi-cultural. Don’t listen to the headlines, most of us ain’t racist.

        Where you from dude? Just wondering if you should or should not be throwing stones at glass houses.

        • я не из калининграда
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          im living in central europe but am of eastern european descent. due to looking “white” i usually get less discrimination than my turkish and arab friends, but its still way harder to get a job or higher education for non-native people, as higher pay positions are almost exclusively reserved for westerners. it is also harder to get a decent apartment with a foreign sounding name and in case of legal matters you can bet that the cops will rather believe the word of a native than yours.

  • Bipta
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    Using your phone while driving is illegal, so we made all the controls on the same technology.

    Genius. About time it’s banned.

    • @zaphod@feddit.de
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      41 year ago

      To be fair, using phones while driving was banned in most countries back when phones still had physical buttons.

      • @golli@lemm.ee
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        11 year ago

        And the swap from physical buttons, which you can use by feel and that never change their location, to touch controls made this less of an issue?

  • @Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
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    631 year ago

    Nice to see EU policy finally flourishing now that they’re no longer getting nerfed by the UK’s membership.

      • Victor
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        181 year ago

        What made the UK such a hindrance for the EU?

        • @vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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          221 year ago

          Modern England is a blight apon civilization, though half joking aside. As I understand it the UKs conservative bullshit maid it so they functioned like Kentucky here in the US, basically drawing shit out till it died. Which is makes sense when you consider that England without London is about as wealthy as Mississippi.

          • @Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
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            11 year ago

            People have finally noticed. The Conservative party is on track to get utterly pulverised at this years general election. And if Labour don’t have serious ideas about fixing things the same will happen to them at the next one.

            I don’t even need to vote tactically at this election to keep the Conservatives out. But I will because I want to see them and everything they stand for wiped off the face of British politics. They need to be punished as badly as possible and made an example of for destroying everything that our forebears sacrificed to give us.

            • @ShepherdPie@midwest.social
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              21 year ago

              Ineffective and authoritarian, ready to jump into any new war, a populace that votes against their own best interest because of what their leader with a bad haircut tells them, staunch opponents to anything that could be labeled progress?

              • Victor
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                21 year ago

                I can’t answer your question because I don’t know. But I take it maybe you mean that as a rhetorical question?

                Sounds very bad if true, which I have no doubt it is.

  • @Scrof@sopuli.xyz
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    631 year ago

    Touch controls in a car is definitely up there among the absolute dumbest ideas of the century.

  • @raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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    Car models will have to comply to get NCAP’s coveted five-star rating. The scheme is voluntary but is heeded by most automakers because it’s closely monitored by consumers.

    Bollocks. F*ck this shit. Make it mandatory and take those ticking time bombs of the road. They are endangering OTHER people’s lives. Voluntary my ass.

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      This is faster than passing a law. Do this first then work on legislation in parallel.

      Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

  • @ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
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    471 year ago

    Fucking good. Long overdue.

    I love some EVs, but I drove a Polestar 2 and a Model 3 on road trips for work in California. Never again. The nighttime driving experience is miserable imo, and the issues with the lack of stalks and buttons is real.

    The Polestar is the only car to ever make me so angry I had to pull over. It had some kind of sensor issue, and decided the right way to notify my at 80mph on the highway was to A) cover my gate cluster with the error notification B) disengage my cruise control suddenly, at 80mph, and C) begin beeping.

    I almost drove my rental into the Pacific Ocean out of spite.

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      All of the functions described in the article are already on physical buttons and stalks in the Polestar 2 (I have one), so not sure how this is going to change anything? I’ll agree that some of its error reporting and collision avoidance in particular are almost dangerous in their implementation, but that has no bearing on the physical buttons thing.

    • @zerog_bandit@lemmy.world
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      Zero dog in the game (I own a Mazda3) but I rented a Polestar and found it very enjoyable. Different, absolutely, but good enough that I was glad there is an alternative EV to Tesla if I wanted to get one.

      • @ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
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        21 year ago

        I am glad there are other players in the market but the user experience was just miserable for me. Between the lack of buttons for all the climate control and the error messages, as well as subpar android auto support in favor of their own janky android OS (not great for rentals).

        Maybe Polestar 3 will fix all this. Maybe.

  • @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
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    441 year ago

    Horn, windshield wipers, turn signals, hazard warning lights and SOS features.

    What about: Headlights? Fog lights? Climate control? Etc…

    • @uis@lemm.ee
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      11 year ago

      Not sure about fog lights(they need to be activated only once and only during fog), but climate control absolutely needs to be on this list.

  • @medgremlin@midwest.social
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    431 year ago

    Yes! I fucking love buttons and dials! And maybe Android Auto can just heckin’ let me use my phone keyboard when I’m stopped.

      • @medgremlin@midwest.social
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        51 year ago

        If Android Auto is active, it blocks me from opening Google Maps on my phone and I have to mess with the touchscreen interface a bunch before it offers to let me use my phone’s keyboard while stopped. It would be less annoying if the voice search option and the search interface on the car’s touchscreen was less bad.

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          Interesting. Mine USED to not allow maps to open when in auto mode, but now doing so will force open the step-by-step instructions on my phone while leaving the map on the car (this started like 4 months ago)

          But the phone keyboard for maps thing has been simple for like 4 years: just tap the search bar that’s up on the car screen and if I’m not moving it’s just there on my phone screen sometimes it actively annoys me because I wanted to use voice as my phone slid to the floor or some shit. Not just on my phone but on everyone I know who uses AA, are you on some ancient version or something?

          • @medgremlin@midwest.social
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            11 year ago

            Mine does that sometimes, but there’s plenty of times when it’s just being a glitchy pile of garbage. I’ve got a fully updated pixel 8 pro and a 2021 Subaru Crosstrek, but sometimes they just don’t like to talk to each other correctly. It’ll also do this fun thing where it just fails to turn on the mic for phone calls until I reboot the phone and the car before reconnecting them.

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              There did used to be some glitchiness in AA for me along those lines about a year ago, but they cleared up about a month before the P8 launch. I also use a P8P, but on an older car using the wired-only AA since the cars end doesn’t support Bluetooth AA sadly. Wonder if that’s got something to do with it?

              Funny enough the glitch that’s remained no matter how many updates (and yes I’ve reset settings on both ends many times) is that whatever audio was left playing will Autoplay at max volume when AA initiates. Luckily I can just mute my system and then go forth, but it’s annoying to have to rewind or if I forget.

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    411 year ago

    Good, there’s no reason for there to be more information displayed than you can read at a glance. And you should be able to feel for the controls you need instead of having to look at the screen and flip through menus.

  • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    361 year ago

    Can we just use the European safety regulations for American cars? I’m tired of watching them get all the safety stuff a decade ahead of us.

    • @Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
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      I expect you will. I think It will be cheaper to have a single spec globally for a given model of car.

      • @hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de
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        I’m afraid they won’t. When I was a Student I had a summer job at Mercedes assembling cars. At the time cars sent to the US needed bigger airbags - you’d think it’d be less error prone at negligible extra cost to just equip all cars with the bigger airbags but they didn’t.

        If they can save a couple of cents by having less buttons they’ll have less buttons.

          • @hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de
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            According to Wikipedia it’s weight:

            US regulation FMVSS 208 requires that bags be engineered and calibrated to be able to “save” the life of an unbelted 50th-percentile size and weight “male” dummy.

            Assuming the regulation in the EU is similar and given that US average weight/BMI is higher than European average US airbags need to be bigger.

        • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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          11 year ago

          Of they can save a couple of cents by having less buttons they’ll have less buttons.

          Are buttons actually more expensive than a touch screen?

          • @hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de
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            You’ll have a touch screen either way and it’s possible that the functions of the buttons are available on some app too.

            Just as basically all cars except current Teslas do.

            I think the EU would be doing Tesla a favor if they force them to add physical controls to switch between D, R, N, P.

            Edit: The current Tesla Model 3 should comply with the new rule (not 100% sure about hazard lights).

      • @EssentialCoffee@midwest.social
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        Both my and my husband’s US cars already have all of the items listed as physical buttons. I don’t know that it’ll really change much.

  • @slaacaa@lemmy.world
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    Got very happy seeing the title, but we’re just talking about the bare minimum like horns and windshield wipers. A tiny step in the right direction, but not much else

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    241 year ago

    It’s going to be funny when there’s an entire decade of vehicles no one wants to buy on the used market. I’m looking forward to it. These touchscreens are terrible.

    • @jkrtn@lemmy.ml
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      It would be excellent if Europe forces manufacturers to replace old touchscreens at their own expense.

  • Cosmic Cleric
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    mandate that five of a car’s primary controls — its horn, windshield wipers, turn signals, hazard warning lights and SOS features — will need physical buttons or switches.

    Would love to see cruise control added to that list.

    • @theangryseal@lemmy.world
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      Man, I haven’t got to the sci-fi cars yet. I’m still driving older tech (2003).

      I can’t even glance at my phone to change a song on Spotify. I know I won’t do well with a screen. It’s too dangerous for me.

    • @set_secret@lemmy.world
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      11 year ago

      weirdly Tesla Cruise control is a physical stick. just about everything else is touch screen, but indicators, gears, and cruise. (i think the new models it’s actully all screen though)

  • @Juigi@lemm.ee
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    Some new tesla you change drive controls by swiping on a tablet. That seemed bit too much.

    • @NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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      There’s also buttons (I believe capacitive, but not 100% sure), but they aren’t as convenient to use.

      It’s not only touch screen though.

  • Jo Miran
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    Touchscreens in cars are stupid. Add miniature track pads to that too.

    • rutellthesinful
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      they should just link the display to the steering wheel

      to go left and right you steer accordingly

      to go up and down you accelerate or break

    • @WarmSoda@lemm.ee
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      I’d be ok with a haptic track ball or pad. If it gave you a noticable “click” it would be miles above the current screens.

      • Einar
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        Or simply install a physical button.

      • Jo Miran
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        I am specifically talking about the micro pads they put on the Mercedes Benz steering wheels. Everything is still done at the touchscreen, but now you have a track pad to navigate it with. It is faster and safer to reach over and touch the screen. Less time with your eyes off the road when you are driving a big ass van.

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        My A4 has it. I love it. When searching for something in the car, I don’t need to pull my phone out. I can just write the letters on the console.