But W.V. believes his daughter “is vulnerable and is not competent to make the decision to take her own life,” according to Feasby’s summary of the father’s position.
“He says that she is generally healthy and believes that her physical symptoms, to the extent that she has any, result from undiagnosed psychological conditions.”
Her only known diagnoses described in court earlier this month are autism and ADHD.
I lost my first born to suicide 10 years ago. It was their 6th known attempt in 7 months. We were doing everything we could to help them. The only thing i would have done differently is been there to hold their hand and say goodbye. We knew it was going to happen, it was a matter of how and when.
MAID can’t be consensual under capitalism, but all beings which exist have an inherent right to end their own existence whenever they decide to.
This wouldn’t be a discussion if a 27 year old shot themself, huffed an asphyxiant, or jumped off something high.
What in the world has capitalism to do with this?
Because if you’re not working 40+ hour work weeks (which is new in our physiology coming from pre industrial average of 15 hour work weeks) then you’re made to feel inferior and less worthwhile under capitalism. This disproportionately effects those with disabilities.
Especially when it takes more than 40 hours to “earn” a living.
Oh come on, don’t tell me you believe that nonsense? Please don’t. Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings, and we work probably more like half less than they had to.
Yes, there are issues with current capitalism, but you’re taking about a fantasy world. How the hell do you think people worked the land before tractors and machinery? How much do you think they got off the land, compared to modern farmers? Howuch time do you think they had to spend on luxuries?
Seriously, give your comment just 10 seconds of actual thought.
You are parrotting dumb slogans and empty claims that you either read somewhere and just copied without actually using your brain, or you made it up. I’m not sure which, but both are bad.
How about you read up on some actual history? Life pre industrial age was hell bd then you die. During industrial age it was shit. With the enlightenment things slowly became better and where we are right now is the point where we have forgotten what it really is to suffer, so we make crpa up put how bad we have it.
Hint: there are many issues, but dude, you don’t have it that bad
Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings, and we work probably more like half less than they had to.
And yet with more than enough food to feed everyone and 30 times as many vacant homes per unhoused person, people still starve and die of exposure on the streets.
Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings
people still starve and die
Your entire argument is a false comparison between “we live better than medieval peasants” and “but people are still homeless”?
You’ve heard the saying that “perfection is the enemy of progress”, right?
“perfection is the enemy of progress”, right?
Isn’t there a difference between people starving when there isn’t enough food and having more than enough food you allow to rot so a small percentage of people can live as kings?
You get how that is different, right?
How many people dying while there are resources to prevent their dying is too many?
Are unhoused people an acceptable sacrifice to Mammon in your view?
Uh huh, that’s correct, and that is very bad and need to be fixed.
What doesn’t happen anymore though is that 90+% of the population was continuously semi starving. What doesn’t happen anymore is 30+% of the population being wiped out from diseases. What doesn’t happen anymore is families having 12 kids so that 4 might make it to adulthood.
I can go on for a bit, but suffice to say that life now is a hundred times better than life 200 years ago, even for the poor, hell, even for the homeless. Even the homeless still get some form of hospital care and food.
Yes, there are still hundreds of problems that need to be resolved, that doesn’t mean that today were off worse than back then
Why do you assume people arguing (correctly) against the evils of capitalism want to go back to say feudalism and not progress toward a just system that respects universal human dignity and does not require human suffering to grease the wheels of machinery which lines a tiny % of pockets?
Bingo.
What in the world has capitalism to do with this?
Nothing can be consensual under a system which privatizes the means of life and coerces behavior to attain access to natural resources everyone needs and no one made.
That… Is a collection of slogans mixed with impressive mental gymnastics. You put down words but it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. You have no idea how euthanasia works, or the justice system, or capitalism, and at this point I wonder what you do know.
You almost sound like an AI bot, am I talking with an AI bot?
it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
I could forward you some reading if you’d like to be less ignorant, though I have my doubts you desire to be.
You almost sound like an AI bot, am I talking with an AI bot?
If you can’t tell it sounds like I’ve passed the Turing, at least.
Oohh, you read das Kapital, why didn’t you say so? This of course means that you’re totally right in every subject, can do no wrong, even though what your saying is at best a non sequitur.
Oohh, you read das Kapital
Where did I say I’ve read Das Kapital? Das Kapital isn’t even the book I linked you.
< click link >
Marx’s Das Kapital for beginners
That’s the true choice here: we allow someone to end it cleanly, or we must accept they’ll end their own life messily and brutally.
You can’t get organ donations from a OD or a traumatic impact.
Assisted suicide should only be available for terminal patients or those in unrelenting physical pain with no possibility of a cure.
What gives you the right to police other people’s bodily autonomy?
They can do it themselves but giving them the legal outlet makes it so much easier for those that are just heavily depressed, when with some effort they could live along and fulfilling life.
Some of this is going to come across nasty, but it’s not, it’s an honest exploration of something worthy of deep analysis and discussion.
Who put you in charge? Who puts anyone in charge? Why should anyone get to decide the arc of someone else’s life? Why should someone else get to dictate the terms of anyone’s life and death?
Whenever I hear someone expressing sentiments like “… with some effort they could live along and fulfilling life”, it puts me in mind of all those busybodies who lament or even disapprove of my choosing labour over post-secondary education because I wasn’t meeting my potential. No, I was meeting my potential just fine, even excelling. I’ve had a very fulfilling life, I just wasn’t doing what others thought I should be doing. I was not being lazy by not putting in “some effort.” I was making choices based on who I wanted to be and how I wanted to live.
What is within us that leads us to demand that others live up to our standards? What is within us that makes it so difficult to see that what is a reasonable effort for one may be an insurmountable obstacle to others?
To get mundane, I find it just about as easy to swim 5k as 2k and 10k isn’t much harder, yet I get the impression that most people think of even 2k as beyond their capacity. Would it not be an insult to their very personhood to just call them lazy, the way you imply that this poor soul is just lazy?
We all have different capabilities and capacities. What is within us that insists that we are the standard by which others must be judged?
Some people cannot find the internal resources to continue. What makes the beating of their hearts so important to us that we ignore their own desires? That insist they fight, even after they have no fight left?
I never said anybody was lazy. It’s the difference between somebody being depressed at home and somebody being depressed being given a gun. It makes the choice of suicide that much easier.
Based on this comment, I suspect that your real intention was to argue for the appropriate supports rather than applying sufficient effort. Fair enough, but let’s more closely examine what you actually said:
… with some effort they could…
You did not say “with the right supports…” you said “with some effort…”
Further, “with some effort” implies that there had been no effort to date.
I appreciate that none of us perfectly express our true thoughts when speaking or writing off the cuff as we do here. If you are now saying that you meant “with the right support”, I accept that without question. But if you actually meant that a suffering person must be expected to make efforts that would challenge the strongest of us, then I stand by my contention that you called them lazy.
Sometimes they can. And maybe that’s something that your overly optimistic perspective needs to realize.
They don’t have to do shit.
Ok, despite having a graduate degree I can’t work because of mental illness. My choices are either die of exposure once my savings run out or take a concrete high dive. You can start paying all my living expenses so that I can have a decent quality of life. Otherwise, shut your mouth. You don’t know anything about other people’s suffering.
There are definitely services so you’re not homeless but you said it yourself. You can take the option to off yourself. Don’t put it on the state.
I would rather let people, supported by the medical system, make their own decisions about what is right for them. There’s zilch information about what this person is dealing with (as is their right to privacy), but two doctors believe that it is sufficient that a request for MAID is justified. It’s pretty hard for me to believe that we, as armchair experts, know what is best for this person - which is basically the ruling of the judge. It doesn’t matter what we, or the person’s dad think, it’s none of our business.
Give people no option to do it painlessly and cleanly, and they’ll do it painfully and brutally.
You’re not going to stop people from ending their own life by saying it can’t be done properly.
Mon oncle left us 2 years ago because managing his particular circumstance during covid would risk his vulnerable grandchild.
My dad has a condition which will kill him very slowly or not, but before he loses his autonomy he signed his DNR and has a living will that includes a MAID clause. He is in no extra physical pain, and enjoys woodworking and telling stories and cooking pancakes for his kid’s kids, but this thing lurks and it will kill him if nothing else does it sooner.
I miss my wonderful uncle every day, as he was the vibrant centre of a rich arm of our otherwise dour family. But he made his choice and we respect that because we respect him. My dad will leave this planet according to a set of circumstances and criteria and we will let him because he has ever charted his own path, and he will chart his own exit.
You just take care of your own self. You leave us to us.
