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Every accusation is a confession. Also it’s funny to think everyone is a latent homosexual all they need is to come in contact with another homosexual to activate their homosexuality.
Many of them think being gay is a choice because they are bisexual. So for them it’s a choice on whether or not to act on it. So they project that it’s a choice for everyone.
It would be simpler to not be a bisexual. Why choose to make life harder?
Considering all the other things they consider temptations, if it’s half as fun as everything else they hate, I might have to try this being gay thing!
I hear it’s okay to suck a few cocks as long as you clearly say, “no homo” first. Just a fyi if you were seriously considering giving in to your sinful thoughts.
Just make sure you say “No homo.” and not, “No, homo!”
The ever-important “coxford comma.”
I’ve got a couple of gay friends, and after I’ve spent time with them, my homo be raging.
It’s sort of true. If you have been raised to suppress your wants of people of the same sex, being confronted with things that you find arousing and forbidden makes that suppression hard. That is, you are now aware that you are gay.
Only their balls though. It’s only gay if the balls touch.
Again, everything that a conservative says or thinks is projection. They tell on themselves constantly.
I think it’s more that “these people” didn’t used to ‘exist’ in their world: Sexual minorities weren’t talked about and were invisible for the most part. But since Stonewall and AIDS, LGBT+ people first decided and then learned not to hide themselves. Suddenly someone who you thought of as normal has ‘become’ gay. You obviously knew them well, it’s not possible they were hiding something from you, and there’s no chance your observations were incorrect - clearly, instead of you being wrong, something happened to them, something ‘turned them gay’ - it must have been the frogs, or music, or DnD, or something, it’s just impossible you were wrong!
If you can be converted to being gay, then you were always gay. It’s like if you have to pray the gay away, you are gay my guy
Everyone’s at least a bit gay.
I might not like all cocks, but I certainly like mine.
When cuntservatives say they are afraid of being ‘gay converted’, what they are really saying is ‘I’m setting up a defense early in case someone catches me on camera servicing a glory hole at the truck stop like I do every sunday after church.’
Also we actually have forced left handed people to become right-handed.
Weird I’ve heard about this from so many countries, from Japan to almost every communist country.
Happened to my mother. In the US, in the 30s.
Did me until 2nd grade. That teacher gave me left handed scissors with a laugh.
Similarly, lots of parents of Deaf children were told not to teach them sign language.
One day, 2 Church persons tried to talk to me about Jesus-guy, I bet them in and talked about 2 hours about free choice, real science and evolution. Tried to “discuss” it like they do it, just don’t let other arguments be valid and come back to the same shit again and again. I didn’t let them go until they almost panicked. Never heard from them again. Btw they didn’t touch their tea, hmm. I really tried to convert them to self-thinking, I still hope, something stays with them.
That doesn’t work, unfortunately. What tends to work is epistemology, where you try to get at how they know what they “know”, and the roots of their belief. It also helps if you really develop a rapport with someone, are genuinely empathetic, and aren’t asking obviously leading questions; you want to help someone begin to question their own beliefs, rather than telling them to justify their beliefs to you, if that makes sense.
Really deconverting someone can take a long time.
Check out Anthony Magnabosco some time; he’s got a YouTube channel dedicated to street epistemology.
If you try really hard and really want it, you too can be 6’,5"
And by christians, you mean American Christians. The rest of the world’s god-botherers don’t do this. Yous are fucking weird bunch, that’s why yous got turfed out of Europe in the 15th century 😂😂
So… the Catholic Church, well known for traveling the world to shove Jesus down everyone’s throats, is an American institution now? Got it.
Yeah, there’s a lot of history to this, but it’s a part of why there’s so many unusual or distinctive off-shoots of Christianity that come from the US: Jehovah’s Witnesses, LDS, Seventh Day Adventists, Evangelicalism, etc…
It’s not just the Puritans, in fact, it’s mostly not, though they’ve given us plenty of other cultural baggage.
Because we weren’t our own nation, we didn’t have our own bishop in the church of English, so for ministers to get ordained they had to go to England to be trained and then come back.
This gave rise to a conflict between the New Lights and Old Lights. The New Lights were basically proto-evangelicals and they determined that the proof of qualification to be a minister wasn’t a degree, education, or some church approval from overseas, but the ability to gather a church.
This meant that charisma became the defining trait for a successful minister. They’re not educated and they’re terribly persuasive. This is why evangelicals have such terrible theology. There’s all these ideas that are mainstream evangelical ideas that never existed before this period.
The rapture was created during this period. That’s right, for nearly 1800 years Christians wouldn’t even know what you meant if you said “the rapture” and now evangelicals wander around telling everyone to be prepared.
Do you have any recommendations for a book on this topic? I’m super intrigued.
I don’t know of any. It’s just an aggregation of research over the years. If you find something let me know!
For real though
It’s all the fun banning puritans who got booted out of the country after their coup and subsequent dictatorship finally got overthrown who were the bulk of the Thirteen Colonies, which largely just left the “love thy neighbour” Christians who actually campaign against racism, homophobia, climate change and whatever else can be seen as people insulting “God’s creation” which frankly I can completely get behind even if I don’t believe it as such.
Frankly I don’t get the mind bending logic to ignoring all the “everyone is God’s child, he has made them as he sees fit, he loves them, you should love them too” stuff in the bible and skipping past to a small subsection which says that men shouldn’t sleep together, especially when they ignore the fact that the same section says that anyone who works on a Sunday should be put to death along with a bunch of other wild and wacky stuff that we just all collectively agree was a product of the time it was written…
Also Jesus pretty much tossed out all the “unclean” nonsense in Peter’s dream or whatever.
I wonder how many of them follow the diet though.
Well us and Africa… and Russia
“Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Gaysus Bi-st?”
Only the big evangelist types or Mormons which isn’t all Christians. I know plenty of Christians who are quiet about it and only talk about it if you bring it up, unlike people really into politics. Even with Mormons I’ve known many who don’t say anything about it and even sneak in coffee…
Go to a Unitarian church where people will usually identify as Christian.
I would propose that some Christians think that gays are trying to convert them because they feel attracted to people of the same gender. If you have no sexual attraction to people of the same sex, then the idea that you could ever be converted to being gay is going to seem ridiculous. I’m straight; I’m simply uninterested in being people with male bodies or male genitalia. On the other hand, if I was bisexual–or simply gay–and believed that homosexuality was sinful, then I might feel like depictions of homosexual people in media was an attempt to change who I “am”.
As someone who was raised in the church I think this completely misses their perspective.
They believe that God is completely fair and just, and wouldn’t make someone in a way that was contrary to how he wants people to be. So it’s impossible for being LGBT to be something innate and unchangeable, since that would require God created people specifically in a way that he says is wrong.
So instead they go with “it’s a choice, they were ‘converted’ and it’s possible for them to mess up everyone else too.” It’s just to stave off cognitive dissonance, essentially. You can’t believe in a God that says being gay is sinful and then creates people to be gay, so you have to believe it’s like alcoholism or something and can affect anyone.
There’s no logic behind it and clearly no scientific data, but that won’t stop them because they arrived at the conclusion based purely on it being the only thing they can believe and not change the way they understand the nature of their God claim.
They believe that God is completely fair and just, and wouldn’t make someone in a way that was contrary to how he wants people to be.
This simply can’t be supported though. Christians tend to be gender essentialists, but there are a wide range of genetic defects where people appear to conform to one gender while not having a genetic makeup that conforms to the assigned gender, e.g., androgen insensitivity syndrome. So if people are made exactly how god intends them to be, and sex is an essential part of that, how can people exist that do not genetically conform to their assigned gender, or any binary gender? You can’t say that god doesn’t make mistakes and say that sex must be binary, when genetic errors prove that at least one of those propositions must be false.
You could say the same thing about psychopaths, since they believe that everyone has the ability to understand that they’re sinful, etc.
That’s why I said there’s no real logic, it’s all just cherry picking the parts they want to believe and ignoring the real world aspects that don’t conform to their presuppositions.
I mean there is a benefit to convert someone to your sexuality (you fugg’em) but the very sentence I wrought there sounds insane and outlandish I don’t understand how you would go about that.
There’s also the problem of some religious conservatives not realizing that straight people exist.
According to conservative psychologists like Paul Cameron or James Dobson, gay sex is a huge “temptation” that people must learn to resist; they worry that it would be the downfall of society if more people chose to succumb to that temptation. They might blame that temptation on Satan directly, or on LGBT+ propagandists, or liberalism; but they very much seem to believe that anyone could choose to be gay.
Sorry, no, that’s not how straight people work.
If you experience gay sex as a strong temptation, you’re just not straight. That’s okay! Quite a lot of people are straight, and are just not interested in having gay sex. If all the people who are “tempted” to have gay sex went and did so, there would still be lots of straight people left having lots of straight sex.
The odd part is that these conservative psychologists then teach this doctrine of “gay sex is a strong temptation for everyone” to an audience composed of mostly straight people.
Hi: Theistic Christian here.
Worship who/what you want and marry who you love and be kind to everyone. Even the people you don’t like. Trans people are people and good deeds don’t get you into heaven.
Great! Do you say this stuff around your Christian friends?
No shit where are the rest of these so called good Christians???
Honestly not spreading hate and just trying to get through the day like everyone else, ex-christian btw. But my church I grew up in was good I just didn’t see the logic in the religion personally but the people were normal people. Don’t let vocal hatred filled minorities define a whole group of people. As long as they are not actively defending those hateful people they’re not really accountable for other actions.
As a Christian, I don’t think any of those regressives that trash all the values that Jesus spoke of should be allowed to use that label, the Bible clearly details that they will face judgment at the White Throne and be turned away as a goat.
Jesus really only seemed to hate people puffed up on their self-centered pride and fucking usurists.
And whoooo boy did JC hate usurists.
You realize “Christian” just means u believe Christ is the Messiah.
That belief doesn’t make you a good person in any way.
You really aren’t prepared for this discussion.
All of your understanding of theism comes from snarky atheism memes and edgelads parroting gigacringe youtubers in forum comment sections.
Salvation doesn’t mean you are a ‘good’ person, it just means you sincerely asked Jesus for the gift.
Now, Jesus TOLD his followers to be good people, but it is not required to have, or keep divine Salvation.
Regardless of your poorly formed personal opinion.
And no, the meaning of ‘Christian’ implies action, to be like a ‘little Christ’, which is what the actual meaning is. You can believe that Jesus is the messiah all you want but unless you ask him for salvation, you are not saved, and unless you walk like he did, you are not Christian.
They’re all around but don’t draw attention to ourselves with blaring flags and bigoted slogans.
Unfortunately a small portion of regressive Evangelicals are doing a great job making a fucktonne of noise and stirring up unbelievably large shitstorms to cover the fact that they are just a minority. A fucking annoying and loud one, but fewer than people think.
All the time, and some of them get pretty pissed about it.
A lot are cool though, and some of them feel the same way.
I truly appreciate that. As you were. 😁
